Gainey vs Bergevin

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Who is / was a better GM?

  1. Bob Gainey

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  2. Marc Bergevin

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  1. LeHab

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    Both GMs had a significant tenure with the Habs. Enough to implement whatever obscure "5-year plan" fans were promised to make Habs great again. As Bergevin is closing on Gainey's regular season games total (12 difference), let's look at what both have accomplished.

    Regular season:

    Gainey - counting games until resignation on Feb 8, 2010.

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    Bergevin:

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    Regular season success rate is very similar, less than a point difference per season on average.

    Playoffs:

    Gainey:

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    Bergevin:

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    Advantage Bergevin, however if we were to count 2010 miraculous Halak run once Gainey left, Montreal would have 20 wins.

    Seems to me like a wash, treating the symptoms and not the root cause of Montreal shortcomings season after season.
     

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    Sounds like mediocrity to me
     
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    I was going to say Gainey didn't leave a mess but he left Gomez and his contract to deal with.
     
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    Bergevin is just getting started
     
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    I would have like to see André Savard get a real chance as a GM
     
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    technically, Mediocre = below average.
    Average is 15 and bergevin is in both above. (12th and 13th).
     
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    Let's see. Gainey gave us Pacioretty Price Subban

    Bergevin gave us.. uh.. Danault.
     
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    That's hardly a mess. He left the team competitive and we'll primed for the future. The current squad is neither.
     
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    Plus with those free buyouts Gomez contract was never a burden.
     
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    Do we know why Boivin replaced him with Bob?
     
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    At the time , he didn't receive anything for Koivu,Tanguay , Komisarek , Kovalev , all free agents that he kept with the team instead of trade them at the deadline ...and than he didn't re-sign one . You add what he did with Beauchemin , and the Gomez trade ...

    Worst GM ever for the Habs
     
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    Lol what. The Beauchemin thing was Columbus breaking a hand shake deal that all GMs had during the lock out and then after that happened, the NHL created a hard rule.

    Bergevin is the worst GM we've had and Houle is second worst. Gaineys not in the conversation. I didn't like him losing free agents for nothing either but he took us from garbage and created a competitive team and young core.

    The team we had with Koivu Kovalev Ryder Higgins Latendressse and the Kostitsyns. Miles better than anything we've seen in Montreal since he's been gone.
     
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    Gainey didn't get to have Timmins' picks in their prime. I would have liked to have seen what he did with Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Gallagher in their primes.

    I don't mind trading for Gomez. It was giving up McDonagh that severely taints his legacy. He also leadked too many assets (Streit, Perezhogin, Grabovski, Latendresse, 1st and 2nd for Tanguay for 1 year).

    But I think Bergevin's is worse, because he gave up Subban but made all sorts of other bad moves. Whereas Gainey brought in Kovalev and re-signed him, Bergevin brought in Radulov and overpaid for Alzner and Shaw but balked at the idea of giving Radulov an extra million and lost him.

    When Gainey let Koivu, Kovalev, and Tanguay walk, he replaced them with Cammalleri, Gionta, and Gomez, which took us to the conference finals.
     
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    I remember all those clowns at 110% about the Bob Gainey effect! He wasn't a good GM but we have to take in count the dramatic events that occured to him
     
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    Gainey got this team to a point.... When it came time to take that final step, he just couldn't close the deal. He knew that the center position was the key. It just never materialized.

    Lecavalier, Gomez 1.0, sundin, briere 1.0 were all courted hard by gainey over the years. When that didn't work, and koivu was into his mid 30's, we settled with Gomez who was just on the verge of a sharp decline.

    MB also took over a team that was missing that #1 center in it's impressive young core. He couldn't find one, and made the team worse in the process.

    Overall, gainey was the better GM.
     
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    Gainey made big moves in our top 6, some paid off, some didn't. But at least he tried.

    Bergevin made big moves in our bottom 6, they were all pretty ****ing irrelevant.
     
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    We need a thread: Houle vs. Bergevin,

    because Bergevin has sunk to that tier.

    Where as Houle is a nice guy, a gentleman who gave his heart and soul to the organization, but just didn't have the business acumen to be good at the job, Bergevin has business sense, he just thinks he's the smartest guy in the room trying to build a team based on character and grit over skill. If he just used his acumen to get skill he might actually be a good GM.
     
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    Uncle Bob looks like Sam Pollock compared to that Stupid Idiot Marc Bergevin.
     
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    I think Houle is the worst by far and I agree that Gainey is not in the same conversation.

    MB is better then Houle. After 5 years of MB, there is still someting left... lol

    My mind doesn’t want to recall everything Houle traded but not much was left. What was worse is that we all felt bad for Houle!! lol
     
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    Saddens me that we went from A.Savard to Gainey to Gauthier to Bergevin. Keeps getting worse.

    Can we get a decent GM for once ffs??
     
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    People were pretty pumped here when bergevin got hired.

    I was skeptical. French or non french, it was a shallow pool of candidates in 2012.
     
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    Gainey was far from great but miles ahead of Bergevin.
     
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    He came from a winning team, looking fresh and dynamic. He came here with the promise of building trough the draft and development and being more transparent to the fans. He put in place a strong management team full of experienced hockey minds and even hired an analytic expert.

    That's all coming after Pierre Gauthier, it's hard not to get hyped.

    Needless to say Bergevin is a fraud.
     
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    Houle is a little harder to compare as there was no loser points but if you look at overall total points compared to league (ranked #12) for regular season he has delivered pretty much the same standard of excellence as Bergevin & Gainey.

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    Getting into playoffs was more challenging for Houle.
     
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    Couldn't resist. :sarcasm:
     
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