Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by Warden of the North, Feb 27, 2018.
So..... How long until July 1st?
Although I guess the draft will have some trade action
I still think they will target a D man in offeseason. In my opinion, they are either target a LHD like OEL, Klefbom, Hjmarlsson, and use Gardiner as part of Package or to aquire another Center, and move dermott up the depth chart. Or use 1st, carrick, either goalie/or fwd prospect to try and get in on a Myers, trouba, tanev, faulk, etc.
Who would you target.
Tavares. Not gonna think about it too much until after the playoffs are over though.
How does dehaan compare to tanev???
So Hornqvist got 5 x 5.3
I would think JVR's price is around 6M.
If he's willing to take some sort of discount (TSN said earlier in the year he was to get longer term, but then Kypreos said about a month ago he wasn't, so... ) then perhaps we are looking at something like 5M for 6-8 years
I actually think Leafs Dmen are OK going forward,,,,,Reilly, Gardiner, Dermot, Zaitsev, Hainsey, Carrick and Borgman. Yea. it would. nice to improve over the last spot , but at what cost?
It's how to improve at centre with Bozak gone. If Nylander can make the switch, then it's not great urgency but there aren't any good 2c/3C available in free agency .
Leafs have about 11 m available in short term free agency signings, are there any short term fixes?
I'll let JVR walk. His goals will be hard to replace directly but contribution by committee (via Kappy and a prospect like Johnsson) can help. Obviously the defensive improvements are big.
And that will leave a hole on the PP unit, a net presence that will be hard to replace, but I don't think we should shell out that much money and term for a guy who will become only a PP specialist as his contract goes on.
The Leafs can re-adjust their PP units accordingly as they have the talent, and they haven't even stacked their unit yet.
The draft is a better time to make trades than the TDL anyways.
Picks hold more value, teams have more capspace and are this more flexible. TDL is heavily slanted towards sellers.
My new theory is that JVR is our plan B if Tavares doesn't come here. 5M for 6 years would be great, I suspect it will take a bit more than that but whatever, I trust Lou and co to figure it out.
Leafs have been smart not going full out trying to win this year. They could have sold the farm for McDonagh but didn't
Once Matthews, Marner and Nylander all sign their 2nd deals then Lou will be able to know how much he can spend.
I think going after Andrej Sustr might be a smart move in FA this summer. He is 27 making 1.95 million and a RHD who would be easily slotted into the 2nd paring moving Zeitsev down to the 3rd pairing and eventually moved out when Lilligren is ready.
Maybe they can get Sustr for 3-4 years at 4 million would be a good option for the backend.
I think most things are in a holding pattern until you have final numbers on Matthews, Marner and Nylander.
Tavares > Carlson > Thornton > JVR
Would be my order of options this July, if all make it to UFA. I agree that management likely won't want to make any committments to JVR prior to seeing what else is available, but wouldn't mind bringing him back if Babcock's a big enough fan
I think in short order Lou will attempt to get Matthews, Nylander and Marner locked up long term. If not long term at least on bridge contracts so we can have a little more cap certainty moving forward at the draft and before July 1. It could be a combination of both long term and bridge contracts depending on the player. In the end cap certainty is needed for at least the next 3 seasons so we know what can be added.
In the end, if Tavares makes it to FA I believe he will be fought over by many teams including the Leafs. But having the cap certainty will allow us to understand what we can and cannot do moving forward.
I see the following happening:
1) Tavares will end up signing some place else. Not Toronto. This isn't a bad thing.
2) We end up trading a package to Edmonton for RNH. Part of package ends up being Gardiner. This solves our C position hole.
3) We use $$$$ saved on Bozak, JVR, and Komarov to sign another dman on the free agent market like a Hainsey. Defensive minded. Shouldn't take up all the $$$$.
4) Use remaining $$$$ to sign a 4th line center, and re-sign extensions for Matthews, Marner, Nylander.
Carlson would be great, but I highly doubt Washington is letting him. He's having a great year.
A rhd, logging 25 mins a night and he has 50 points in 63 games.
7+ million right there.
I wonder if his underlying stats look good as well.
Sustr is the defensive whipping boy in Tampa, if it were up to the fans, he wouldn’t be playing.
Euro FA season is next up.
What you guys think of trading Matthews in the off season for our #1 d - man and prospects and draft picks. Then sign Tavares
massive no, but thanks for your service enjoy your future career and good luck to the 100th leaf of all time
Yeah, I don't really expect him to be available either. But as of right now, he's still a pending UFA, so I'mma let myself hold out a little hope for the time being. The Caps were going hard after Karlsson, apparently - Maybe they pick up talks again near the Draft and move on from Carlson in order to upgrade in the offseason.
It’s not that I want to trade him just afraid he’s going to be injury prone and better off traded him now then later. Shoulder injuries are not easy to deal with once it gets fractured it’s never the same
What do you think about, no?
I think you see a trade with Arizona. Blockbuster.
OEL, Domi for gardiner, 1st, Carrick korshikov
Sign beagle, Komarov
Domi Matthews Hyman
Marleau Kadri Marner
Johnsson Nylander Kapanen
Komarov beagle brown
Dermott Holl /Ohizganov/Liljegren
I really, really, really don't get Leafs fans. Keep Gardiner and sign him long-term for 5-6 million a year. The guy is so underrated.
Tavares should absolutely be the top target come July 1st, but I'd go after Kovalchuk too. It is probably a good bet that he'll be at least a Patrick Marleau-type offensive contributor (40-50 points/25-some goals) with the upside for more. He should replace most of JVR's offense, while being a better defensive player (not a high bar to clear). Most importantly, though -- using Radulov as the comparison -- we might be able to get him on a 1 or 2 year 'show me' deal for 5.75-6 rather than giving JVR the 7 or 8 year deal he's going to want. We would probably be one of the front runners too: There's the prior relationship between him and Lou. We are a contending team. There were some murmurs last year that he wanted to go to the Rangers but obviously that isn't happening with their rebuild.
So I guess Edmonton should of traded McDavid because he was injured for half of his first season??? Matthews is in his second year, played all 82 games last season but has had some bad luck this season. But whats the big deal, your going to trade a 20 year old because he was out 3 games with a concussion and 6-7 with a separated shoulder???