djhn579 said:
Is this how it is being done? I don't know, but if the arena was run as a seperate entity, this would be a reasonable way to do it.
Do you have a number of arenas in mind that made $20M while the team lost money?
The rinks generally don't publish a set of books either, but this is beside the point. Nobody buys just a hockey team. They buy a team with a lease on the rink. Or they buy a team and the rink. Or they buy the team and the rink in the middle of a real estate deal.
I'll go back to Golisano. He bought the Sabres for $92 million. For that price, he got a hockey team and the right to manage the rink. If you were going to evaluate the quality of his investment, would you decide it was awful if he said he lost $8.5 million on the hockey team? Don't you at least want to know how he made out with the rink? Or do you just cluck and worry about the Sabres? He does not own the rink, but if he does not buy the team he doesn't get the rink revenues. He can charge himself any rent he wants. He can split the luxury box money 50-50 or 90-10. He can give all the board revenue to the team or all the board revenue to the rink. And so on.
I'm not saying he made a great investment or that the rink made $20 million. I'm saying that it is silly to think that an $8.5 million loss reflects what Golisano got for his $92 million last season. It is a meaningless number. You have to know what the Sabres are doing and what the rink is turning for him. Why didn't Golisano just buy the right to run the rink? Why didn't he just buy the team?
Why didn't Ellman just do his real estate deal in Scottsdale? If his shopping mall and rink are part of a $750 million development that is going to be very profitable, why buy a white elephant hockey team to lose money with in the middle of a sweet deal? Why not just build the rink and make a bundle on it? The fact is without the team there is no rink. Without the rink, there is no development.
That's the point. You have to look at the whole deal. How often do we do that? Which teams aren't part of a much bigger deal? There may be a few, but not many.
Tom