Johnny Hoxville
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The way the NHL is trending, and considering he barley got an offer this year and it ended up being a fail, no one is going to sign him again.
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The way the NHL is trending, and considering he barley got an offer this year and it ended up being a fail, no one is going to sign him again.
Anglesmith
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He's right, though. If Jagr is really getting sentimental right now and is having second thoughts about this being his last year, then there is no reason a healthy, driven Jagr wouldn't get a PTO next year. Teams risk nothing by doing that. Maybe he doesn't get signed, but there's no real way for us to know at this point, as we didn't get to see him healthy and with a full summer and training camp.
I mean, hell, even with the current Flames and the lack of RW depth here, he would have a spot for sure if he didn't have no knees.
InfinityIggy
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If Jagr 'commits' to coming back for another year (and prepares in the offseason unlike this year) then I think he will almost certainly receive PTO offers.
Johnny Hoxville
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I still don’t see it. Iggy and Doan didn’t get PTO’s this year and they had much better seasons Jagr just had. I’d be surprised if anyone offered him anything.
Anglesmith
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Do you think so? Iginla had had 27 points in 80 games the prior season. Shane Doan had had 27 points in 74 games. Both players were clearly showing a steep downward trend. Jaromir Jagr had a 46 point season in his last semi-healthy year, so if he can get himself healthy and have a proper off-season, I think he definitely still has value in the eyes of GMs in the league.
I don't think any GM would put any stock in this year given he's been fighting through injury the whole time. Of course, if that's going to be the case next year, too, no one is going to be interested.
Johnny Hoxville
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Yeah but injuries or not this year was a total bust for Jagr lol. There is so much depth in the NHL today and teams can simply fill their spots with cheap ELC contracts.
This year there were a total of 2 teams interested in Jagr, no PTO was offered. One team only had interest due to season ending injury in camp and the other because they had no one step up in camp and take a spot. My reasoning is “less” teams will have interest next season based on how this year went, so I don’t see anyone biting.
This year there were a total of 2 teams interested in Jagr, no PTO was offered. One team only had interest due to season ending injury in camp and the other because they had no one step up in camp and take a spot. My reasoning is “less” teams will have interest next season based on how this year went, so I don’t see anyone biting.
Johnny Hoxville
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The Pens have: Kessel, Rust and Sprong
I think they would just play someone like Simon on their 4th for less money.
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The issue with Jagr is that he isn't close to good enough to play for a decent team.
Calgary badly needs RW help and secondary scoring but even with having him signed they still sent him packing.
Its hard to see a good team having a space for him considering he physically can't skate back on defense, can skate around guys to create offense and didn't show that he has much of a shot left. Basically he could be a PP specialist but even as that the good teams have better options than him.
If he wants to come back I think it could only be for a team that doesn't care and just wants the publicity. As a player he is way, way below the NHL level at this point.
Calgary badly needs RW help and secondary scoring but even with having him signed they still sent him packing.
Its hard to see a good team having a space for him considering he physically can't skate back on defense, can skate around guys to create offense and didn't show that he has much of a shot left. Basically he could be a PP specialist but even as that the good teams have better options than him.
If he wants to come back I think it could only be for a team that doesn't care and just wants the publicity. As a player he is way, way below the NHL level at this point.
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Jagr did have amazing corsi stats despite being way below NHL level apparantly
Also imagine putting up 4th most even strength assists in the league while being way below NHL level. Maybe every team would want more of those horrible players then?
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Jagr did have amazing corsi stats despite being way below NHL level apparantly
Also imagine putting up 4th most even strength assists in the league while being way below NHL level. Maybe every team would want more of those horrible players then?
Amazing Corsi numbers??????
Well in that case lets hand him the Hart Trophy right now!
Also as much as you like to trot out stats from a year ago like they matter I doubt many GMs are going to ignore the fact that he was awful this year with Calgary.
He is 46 so I think there will be a lot more focus on recent events considering he is falling off fairly rapidly as expected at his age.
I mean any team in the league could have had him for free this year and nobody took him, hard to see that market improve with him another year older.
Johnny Hoxville
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Anglesmith
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I have no idea where you're coming from on this one. If Jagr uses the summer to actually get healthy (which, let's face it, is the only scenario where he'd be trying to make a comeback anyway), then how on earth is it more relevant to look at an injured campaign than a healthy one?
That would've been like using Gaudreau's missing training camp/broken hand season and saying it says more about him than the one before.
Johnny Hoxville
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It’s just a common trend we’re seeing in the NHL today. Less and less vets are being spots, the game is built on speed and that’s something Jagr doesn’t have. My point is if he didn’t get a PTO this season, I can’t see him getting one next year regardless of what he does for training.
Anglesmith
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I could be wrong, but was a PTO even an option for him this year given he wasn't ready for training camp?
I think you're maybe carrying out this discussion with the assumption that his current injuries are permanent. I'm saying that in the hypothetical scenario that he wants to play next year, that's out of the question. The only way he'd try to play in the NHL next season after what happened this season is if he was actually healthy. So under that assumption, these things you're saying don't make sense.
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The difference is that Gaudreau was what 22 when that injury happened and it was a “fluke” not a likely recurring issue and Gaudreau looked worse but still productive Jagr looked like a beer leaguer who won a contest to skate with the Flames.
Jagr saw a decline from 15/16 to 16/17, will be 46/47 and will basically a whole season away from the game. He talked about it being hard to get back into game readiness because of missing preseason what will missing a whole season do?
Plus his injury has every possibility to be a recurring issue made worse by his age.
Johnny Hoxville
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Jagr was healthy this year before camp, no one offered him a PTO or contract until they spots open up at the end of camp. I think this year will have shown enough to GM’s in the NHL that Jagr is unfortunately no longer NHL caliber. If he trains all year, he’s still to old and there are simply better options out there.
