Flames hire Bill Peters as new head coach

[hockeykicker]

Flames hire Bill Peters as new head coach - Sportsnet.ca

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[Boom Boom Apathy]

It's official now so you might want to update the title.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

Can any Canes fans give any assessment? Is he a good coach? Was the roster horrible or did he not get the most out of his bench?

 

[bluedevil58]

#never forget.

I assume he is going to Calgary. Good luck flames fans. This guy will change forward lines 16 different times in a single game.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

interesting. he was probably out after the saw canes GM resume tweet

 

[Jacob]

I liked the system they employed this year. It seemed more aggressive than previous years and they seemed to be in a lot of games, more than they probably should've been given their roster.

 

[Fire Benning]

Calgary.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Fresh start. This change was going to happen one way or another.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Not surprising based on some of the info coming out the last week or so. Dundon didn't want him, he didn't want to stay and the new GM (when hired) will want to bring in his own guy.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

Now maybe Derek Ryan won't be our third line center and get ice time in the last two minutes of the third when we're down a goal.

Oh, and maybe we'll get to see Lindholm at center long-term now? Assuming he is with us next season

 

[RodTheBawd]

Can any Canes fans give any assessment? Is he a good coach? Was the roster horrible or did he not get the most out of his bench?

Good coach, didn't seem willing or able to adjust his systems to his roster to really get the most out of it that he could. I attribute that to inexperience and will likely improve as he goes along. With a bit more talent, he could have done more. Still a p***y for bailing.

 

[tony d]

He'll be the next coach of the Flames. Seems like he could be a good coach for them.

 

[DCDM]

Here we go

 

[tarheelhockey]

Can any Canes fans give any assessment? Is he a good coach? Was the roster horrible or did he not get the most out of his bench?

He would have had better results with a more talented roster. He took a team that has no top-shelf scoring talent and no goaltending, and made them look like a viable playoff team for much of the season. The wheels fell off eventually and he was very visibly frustrated with certain players by the end. Bear in mind this happened at the same time as an ownership change and the GM getting "promoted" out of his job.

Criticism on Peters is that he forces a very Corsi/analytics friendly structure, with a lot of shooting from the outside and a lot of risks at the blue line which allow a smaller but higher-quality number of chances against. You need the right group of players to really be successful with that style.

IMO he's the best coach currently on the market.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

He would have had better results with a more talented roster. He took a team that has no top-shelf scoring talent and no goaltending, and made them look like a viable playoff team for much of the season. The wheels fell off eventually and he was very visibly frustrated with certain players by the end. Bear in mind this happened at the same time as an ownership change and the GM getting "promoted" out of his job.

Criticism on Peters is that he forces a very Corsi/analytics friendly structure, with a lot of shooting from the outside and a lot of risks at the blue line which allow a smaller but higher-quality number of chances against. You need the right group of players to really be successful with that style.

IMO he's the best coach currently on the market.

Sounds like a lot of issues stem from modern coaching philosophies and using corsi religiously.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Can any Canes fans give any assessment? Is he a good coach? Was the roster horrible or did he not get the most out of his bench?

You'll get input from Canes fans that is completely opposite from each other. Some think he's a poor coach that doesn't adapt well and employs a system that doesn't get the most out of players and doesn't promote offense. Some think he's a good coach that got the most out of a young roster that lacks enough talent and has terrible goaltending.

The truth is probably somewhere in between. I do think he'd do well with Calgary as I think they have the roster to play the type of system he likes as their defensemen are good and mobile and he has some skilled forwards.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

Can any Canes fans give any assessment? Is he a good coach? Was the roster horrible or did he not get the most out of his bench?

I don't like him, but the hockey world in general seems to be a fan.

The team could have used more talent, but he did not get the most out of his players. He likes to juggle lines and random times and is infatuated with Derek Ryan. His choice to play Darling game after game for the first half to two-thirds of the season despite terrible play probably, by itself, prevented the Canes from making playoffs.

His system needs fast defensemen, otherwise bad things will happen.

He is very good for Corsi purposes

 

[bluedevil58]

He would have had better results with a more talented roster. He took a team that has no top-shelf scoring talent and no goaltending, and made them look like a viable playoff team for much of the season. The wheels fell off eventually and he was very visibly frustrated with certain players by the end. Bear in mind this happened at the same time as an ownership change and the GM getting "promoted" out of his job.

Criticism on Peters is that he forces a very Corsi/analytics friendly structure, with a lot of shooting from the outside and a lot of risks at the blue line which allow a smaller but higher-quality number of chances against. You need the right group of players to really be successful with that style.

IMO he's the best coach currently on the market.

You fail to bring up the following;

- Lack of calling a TO before the game got out of control and it always did.

- CONSTANT changing of lines.

- Speaking accountability but only holding fringe 4th liners and 3rd pairing defense men as well as a rookie accountable.

- Pulling the goalie with 3 minutes left always resulting in a loss.

- NOT swapping the goalie when 3 goals have been scored on them in the 1st resulting in a route.

- Dare I talk about his line choices in OT?

- His commercials with his family....


I think he is an OK coach but the end result was no playoffs in 4 years and the under utilization of Eric Staal where he puts up 40 goals on another team.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Sounds like a lot of issues stem from modern coaching philosophies and using corsi religiously.

A lot of issues also stem from having the worst goaltending of the past 5 years. League-average goaltending would have had us in the playoffs and likely a very different situation in our front office.

As far as I could see, Peters had the team playing the best system possible for the group of players we have. I don't see ANY coach in this league making the Hurricanes into a contender with the present roster.

 

[Paperbagofglory]

You fail to bring up the following;

- Lack of calling a TO before the game got out of control and it always did.

- CONSTANT changing of lines.

- Speaking accountability but only holding fringe 4th liners and 3rd pairing defense men as well as a rookie accountable.

- Pulling the goalie with 3 minutes left always resulting in a loss.

- NOT swapping the goalie when 3 goals have been scored on them in the 1st resulting in a route.

- Dare I talk about his line choices in OT?

- His commercials with his family....


I think he is an OK coach but the end result was no playoffs in 4 years and the under utilization of Eric Staal where he puts up 40 goals on another team.

Sounds like Todd Mclellan 2.0

 

[LeafFever]

Oh boy that owner is looking like Melnyk 2.0

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Good coach, didn't seem willing or able to adjust his systems to his roster to really get the most out of it that he could. I attribute that to inexperience and will likely improve as he goes along. With a bit more talent, he could have done more. Still a ***** for bailing.

I don't blame him. It's reported that Dundon doesn't want him back. So it's either exercise his option now and get one of the open jobs, or wait until a new GM comes in, get fired and maybe those available jobs are filled by then.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It's hard to tell where the fault lied with Peters. His unwavering dedication to his system tended to stifle the creativity of some of our more offensively gifted players, leading to long periods of an unwhelming offensive performance.

But it's possible that he only employed that system because outside of a few talented players, the roster sucked.

I'm glad he's gone. He wasn't working out here, and it was far past due to move on from him. However, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him find success elsewhere.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You fail to bring up the following;

- Lack of calling a TO before the game got out of control and it always did.

Very often when this criticism was raised, a more careful look at the situation shows that there was actually a commercial timeout that made calling a TO moot. Peters also liked to use video reviews to slow things down, which often was a de facto timeout with a small gamble that maybe you get lucky and keep it after all.

- CONSTANT changing of lines.

Necessary in the modern NHL. Every coach gets criticized for doing this, except for when they don't do it and get criticized for that instead. He kept the TSA line together which was our only consistent 3-man unit.

- Speaking accountability but only holding fringe 4th liners and 3rd pairing defense men as well as a rookie accountable.

Again this is a consistent criticism for every coach in the league.

- Pulling the goalie with 3 minutes left always resulting in a loss.

Numbers show this is the correct strategy, and is gradually being adopted across the hockey world.

- NOT swapping the goalie when 3 goals have been scored on them in the 1st resulting in a route.

Cam Ward's entire career has been a story of playing well for 20 games, then getting absolutely driven into the ground as his partner goalie implodes. Same thing happened this season. Peters tried to give Darling an opportunity to play his way out of his rut, tried to give Ward an opportunity to enter March without fatigue. Ward put up .890 from mid-February forward, and Darling was even worse than that with a .874. There is no right answer when both goalies are playing like ass.

- Dare I talk about his line choices in OT?

Legit criticism, though it has to be said that we flat-out lack any good options in OT, again going back to a lack of talent on the roster. We have like 2 players I would trust in 3-on-3 hockey.

- His commercials with his family....

An abomination which cannot be forgiven. Good luck with that, Calgary

 

[rent free]

interesting. he was probably out after the saw canes GM resume tweet

probably before that. they both wanted to go their separate ways