vik said:What's his potential as an NHL'er?? Do you see him as a top 2/4 d-man, that can play the powerplay. Is he a defensive d-man, all-round contributor?? What's his offensive potential?? Thanks is advance..
Tjutin had been out with a knee injury. This was his first game back, plus his NHL debut. Not a game you should look at and make any kind of judgement about the kid's ability.Wingboy2999 said:He played saturday against the Flyers. From the few times of me watching him, he was just bad. He coughed up the puck a couple times, could barely get it out of his zone. Just not good.
Kvashinator12 said:put Kenny Jonsson on that list.
Dr_Chimera said:When your defense is that 'thn has him high so they must be wrong', they doesn't say much.
Dr_Chimera said:I like Tyutin a lot. He can foreseeably do everything as a pro, but needs to put all the pieces together.
He moves so well and handles himself effectively in traffic. Just wait until his offensive game catches up to his defensive abilities.
It's very easy to discount a prospect without explaining one's reasons, like some people are doing. When your defense is that 'thn has him high so they must be wrong', they doesn't say much.
Evilo said:Actually, I explained it.
I think Tyutin has no better than #3 Dman upside, which IMO isn't worth a top 20 prospect rank.
dedalus said:Actually you've explained nothing; you've merely made a statement over and over again. Going over all your posts you've never actually stated WHY you believe him over rated. If you wonder why people are quick to dismiss your view as nothing more than Ranger bashing, you need to offer something more than a simple opinion. You've not talked about his play nor his decision making nor his skill set. For starters, how many times have you seen him play? And what did you see that disagrees with the ratings of 15 NHL executives and presumably the scouting staffs to whom they speak every day? You may like to trash THN, but their ratings aren't plucked from thin air. They are compiled by talking to guys who scout, draft, and run teams for a living.
dedalus said:Actually you've explained nothing; you've merely made a statement over and over again. Going over all your posts you've never actually stated WHY you believe him over rated. If you wonder why people are quick to dismiss your view as nothing more than Ranger bashing, you need to offer something more than a simple opinion. You've not talked about his play nor his decision making nor his skill set. For starters, how many times have you seen him play? And what did you see that disagrees with the ratings of 15 NHL executives and presumably the scouting staffs to whom they speak every day? You may like to trash THN, but their ratings aren't plucked from thin air. They are compiled by talking to guys who scout, draft, and run teams for a living.
Evilo said:Actually, I explained it.
I think Tyutin has no better than #3 Dman upside, which IMO isn't worth a top 20 prospect rank.
In a top 20, I don't expect to see backups or second line forwards. Same with Dmen. And I think he's overrated when he's ranked that high.
A lot of Dman prospects out there have better upside.
I never said he was a bad prospect or anything as ridiculous.
I simply said I felt he was overrated based on his rankings.
Dr_Chimera said:That's not an explanation.
You see, when a person has seen a prospect closely and consistently, it's easy to tell, because they can tell you something about him that most posters can't.
It's an easy way to tell whether the poster knows his stuff or is simply throwing out bold statements.
Hokej said:And can you belive that he is considered better player than Filip Novak, I have seen both of them play and I can tell you that Filip is going to be one of the better offensive defenseman in years to come.
stats:
Filip Novak 2002-2003 10-17-27 with 79 PIM in 57 games
Fedor Tyutin 2003-2004 3- 9-12 with 44 PIM in 38 games
I know Fedor still has lots of games to play this season so it's not too accurate but you can get the picture
Im glad he got traded to Florida, that way he gets better chance to make it, even though I heard that he was one of the Sathers favorit players.
The only think that could stop him from making it to the nhl is his ankle injury but I belive that wont be a problem.
And for some reason I think Fedor is going to get good chance in NY, I dont want to be missunderstood I know Fedor is going to be NHLer but not as good as everybody think he's going to be.
Evilo said:I've stated that IMO, his upside is no better than #3 Dman.
Evilo said:He's not that solid in his own zone.
Evilo said:He's a solid player with no major weakness, but he doesn't have a big strengh that IMO would warrant being touted as a possible #1-2 Dman.
Evilo said:Seems to me you have serious comprehension problems.
BTW, let me first start by answering something you wrote earlier : I've never ever made a ranger bashing post. You can do a search, anything you want, you won't find one single post like this. In fact I'm more of a Rangers backer, and used to post on a Ranger forum.
I can't believe the paranoia. I simply state that a prospect is IMO overrated because he doesn't belong in the top 20, and I'm getting a rep as a Rangers basher.
So to answer your question, I'm getting the info from guys I trust and I also caught a couple of tapes of Tyutin to form my own opinion. I found him solid but unspectular.
Again, you talk about a specific problem he has and that I should point to, but I seriously didn't see any glaring hole in his game. I didn't see him being more than above average in one specific area either.
Comparison with Whitney and Welch : Whitney is much more of a force in the offensive zone, and is under average in the defensive zone, mainly because he doesn't use his size enough, and his decision making results in turnovers. IMO, these two weaknesses can get better and thus, with his offensive ability, Whitney is IMO a better prospect than Tyutin.
As for Welch, he's rock solid in his own zone with excellent hitting ability, and has excellent offensive upside. His defense is IMO better than Tyutin, and his offense is just as good.
So as VIK pointed, Tyutin is IMO a solid guy with #3 Dman upside, but his play doesn't warrant being ranked in the top 20.
Evilo said:(ask ANY Pens fan about it).
Evilo said:Aren't all your posts in this thread defending a Ranger prospect? And guess what? You're a Ranger fan!!!!!
Evilo said:Coburn, Stuart, Phaneuf, Babchuk, Seabrook, Ballard, Daley, Woywitka, Krajicek, Novak, Gebreshkov, Suter, Hainsey, Komisarek (though he may not be considered a prospect), Colaiacovo, Koltsov and Eminger.!!!!!