because i have proven my point in my post. baseball has never been more popular. when you take into account there are 500 other channels of programing up againts the world series the numbers the world series gets are very high.Jaded-Fan said:
I only see one of us posting any numbers at all.
Son of Steinbrenner said:because i have proven my point in my post. baseball has never been more popular. when you take into account there are 500 other channels of programing up againts the world series the numbers the world series gets are very high.
please post attendance numbers so i can pick them apart too. this is fun
what team pays 100 million over anybody else? you do realize the yankees paid 80 million in revenue sharing and luxary tax. (you know money that is split by the small market teams)Jaded-Fan said:if you honestly want to defend a sport where you spend over $100 million more than anyone else, and ten times what some other teams spend, be my guest. And that disparity grows every single year. Fans of the other teams are idiots if they keep coming, and it is impossible to think that they will if this continues and the same four or five teams are in the playoffs every single year, the others fighting for a couple of spots.
Son of Steinbrenner said:what team pays 100 million over anybody else? you do realize the yankees paid 80 million in revenue sharing and luxary tax. (you know money that is split by the small market teams)
same 4 or 5 teams are in the playoffs every year? i don't think so please post what 4 or 5 teams are in the playoffs every year.
last time the red sox missed the playoffs was 2002Jaded-Fan said:Someone broke it down in one of these threads about a week or so ago, showing how the same teams, about 5 or 6, made the playoffs a large percentage of the time, inb the last 1o years, and everyone else scrambled to make it maybe once. It was a very good breakdown actually and showed how wrong you are about how 'competitive' baseball really is. BTW, when was the last time the Yankees or Red Sox missed the playoffs?
Maybe someone can post a link if they remember it, I do not have the inclination to search for it right now, especially since you have posted nothing as far as numbers thus far . . .
how many world series have the yankees won over the past 4 years?Greschner4 said:If you don't think the Yankees cable money and consequent huge payroll doesn't give them a huge advantage, you're simply crazy. It's hard to even try to rationalize with someone who thinks it doesn't.
Jaded-Fan said:if you honestly want to defend a sport where you spend over $100 million more than anyone else, and ten times what some other teams spend, be my guest. And that disparity grows every single year. Fans of the other teams are idiots if they keep coming, and it is impossible to think that they will if this continues and the same four or five teams are in the playoffs every single year, the others fighting for a couple of spots.
Remember how many new ballparks have opened of late, once those wear off and the product remains the same few teams in the playoffs each year (with a team or two getting lucky on the side) you really think that people will spend money for that if not in NY or similar towns? Why?
Jaded-Fan said:here is a listing of all the playoffs since 1996. As I said, someone broke it down, I am not going to do it. But I see a whole lot of Boston, NYY and Atlanta in there as a start. To call this competitive is a joke:
http://www.hickoksports.com/history/mlbplayoffs.shtml
Son of Steinbrenner said:last time the red sox missed the playoffs was 2002
last time the yankees missed the playoffs was 1993
what about the braves? they aren't a large market team yet they continue to be succesful. how do you explain that one?
what about the twins?
what about the 2003 marlins?
get the point its not just the large market teams that make the playoffs its the teams that are built right. Do the yankees overpay for people? yup but they aren't the only team to do so.
the fact remains baseball has never been more succesful. i proved it when you posted those tv ratings (before i forget thanks for proving my point with that) and its proven by the attendance around baseball.
bringing up the same teams making the playoffs and how your sick of it doesn't mean baseball is "dying a slow death"
frankly if you don't want to watch it don't watch it.
Son of Steinbrenner said:atlanta is a small market team who spends there money wisely
when the yankees were winning the world series in the 90's they didn't have the highest payroll in baseball. (for the third time)
you mention 3 teams out 8 how about all the other teams that have made it.
Son of Steinbrenner said:atlanta is a small market team who spends there money wisely
when the yankees were winning the world series in the 90's they didn't have the highest payroll in baseball. (for the third time)
you mention 3 teams out 8 how about all the other teams that have made it.
this is awesome and funGreschner4 said:If the front offices of the Twins, Marlins, and Braves -- and A's for that matter -- could have a $200 million payroll, the Yankees would never be contenders because those front offices are a lot better at what they do than the Yankees'. It's only because the Yankees can outspend everybody that they can contend every year.
That's the kind of situation people don't want for the NHL and it isn't hard to see why.
Son of Steinbrenner said:atlanta is a small market team who spends there money wisely
when the yankees were winning the world series in the 90's they didn't have the highest payroll in baseball. (for the third time)
you mention 3 teams out 8 how about all the other teams that have made it.
cleveland is a small market townJaded-Fan said:Houston 5 of the last 9 playoffs
STL 6 of the last 9
CLV 5 of the last 9
Seattle 6 of 10
Not much left for the rest once NYY (every year), Boston and ATL are thrown in, is there?
Why if you are not from those towns would you spend a dime on baseball? Would you if not from NY? And can you with a straight face call this competitive balance that hockey should strive for?
Son of Steinbrenner said:this is awesome and fun
the championship yankee teams were built with home grown players. look it up
bernie
jeter
pettite
posada
riveria
the yankees didn't sign high profile free agents during that time they just spent the money on there own guys and traded young players to fill there needs.
what i sense with you is the typical jealous rant you get from the yankee-hater.
almost 100 million in baseball is not a lot of money and they paid there important players that money (pitchers)Jaded-Fan said:small market team? :lol
Atlanta had a payroll of almost $100 milion each of the three years prior to last, when they btw almost spent $80 million.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/01/01/payroll.comparison.ap/
If you are going to battle, come armed with something next time.
Greschner4 said:That's always the fallback position of the Yankee fan -- that in one short and totally flukish period, they produced some good home-grown players. What they don't tell you is that teams like the early 2000s A's (Giambi, Tejada, Hudson, Zito, Mulder), early 90s Pirates (Bonds, Drabek, etc.), early 2000s Twins, 2000s Marlins, hell, maybe even the late 90s/early 2000s Royals (Beltran, Damon, Dye, Sweeney) grew nucleuses that were every bit as good, but couldn't afford to keep them together. Had they, the Yankees would be just another team.
That's the difference and it's what people don't want for hockey.
Son of Steinbrenner said:almost 100 million in baseball is not a lot of money and they paid there important players that money (pitchers)
almost 80 million is not alot of money. jesus man you are out of the loop :lol
the fact remains baseball has never been more popular and that was our original argument. an argument i enjoyed schooling in.
have a nice night
Son of Steinbrenner said:because i have proven my point in my post. baseball has never been more popular. when you take into account there are 500 other channels of programing up againts the world series the numbers the world series gets are very high.
please post attendance numbers so i can pick them apart too. this is fun