Expiring Contracts Thoughts
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deadhead
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I suspect Hextall has a spreadsheet on his computer with both current contracts, and the probable cost of extensions.
So he may see the $10M as an opportunity to "roll money forward" rather than to go shopping, because in a couple years he's going to have to extend some expensive players (Provorov, Konency, Patrick, etc).
Retaining salary on trades is more effective for this purpose than buying out contracts, since the latter extends a smaller cap hit further into the future. If you have extra money now, retaining salary allows you to use it to eliminate potential dead money down the road.
So he may see the $10M as an opportunity to "roll money forward" rather than to go shopping, because in a couple years he's going to have to extend some expensive players (Provorov, Konency, Patrick, etc).
Retaining salary on trades is more effective for this purpose than buying out contracts, since the latter extends a smaller cap hit further into the future. If you have extra money now, retaining salary allows you to use it to eliminate potential dead money down the road.
Leier 1m
Hagg 1.5m
Lindblom 1.15m
Vorobyev 978k
The goal this summer should be locking Provy up for a long long long term
Hagg 1.5m
Lindblom 1.15m
Vorobyev 978k
The goal this summer should be locking Provy up for a long long long term
Curufinwe
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Lindblom and Vorobyev are on the first year of their ELCs, so their cap hits won't go up next season.
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers
Sawdalite
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One thought is if Hexy is considering signing Veteran FAs, he may see what Filp has left and what he will demand on a short Contract... IIRC you can cut salary on Expiring Contracts.
Of course that is merely an option... and a lot depends on Filp and Hexy's plans... plus how close the Team is to seriously compete for the Cup.
Just a thought.
Of course that is merely an option... and a lot depends on Filp and Hexy's plans... plus how close the Team is to seriously compete for the Cup.
Just a thought.
CodyTheHuman
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I'd stay away from re-signing Filp. Vorobyev may be able to make the jump next season, or Giroux goes back to center. There are a lot of options and Filp isn't really an important cog in the Flyers machine.
litflyersfan
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I hope Hak/Hex have Flip on the top power play unit to boost his trade value not the value of his next contract, at least with us.
Edit: oh course this depends on it the team wants to trade Flip.
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Save the cap space so we can extend our young saviors when their ELCs are up. No more $ spent on depth veterans.
Sawdalite
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All valid points... but this was all contigent on, Filp playing very well and Flyers getting a good Contract deal, Hexy planning on signing FAs... and the Flyers proving to be Contenders for the Cup... a Perfect Storm situation to say the least... Of course, if the Flyers are not ready to take the next step and/or Filp is not playing well or willing to sign a shortish fair Contact, all bets are off and Hexy takes another route.
Again... merely one possible way to go.
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Captain Dave Poulin
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Sawdalite
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All well and good... as long as we realize that there is a gap before the Cap is needed for re-signings... and 'use it or lose it'.
I definitely want the Cap available for extentions.. including a major one for Simmer... and this is one of the reasons for trading away Schenn and taking on Lehtera and Filp on such short terms.
This is exactly what we should be doing with Flip if we can get better than a 4th. If we are playing well and nobody is offering anything nice, just keep him and let it play out.
Appleyard
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Next year will be something like:
Giroux - Couturier - Voracek
Weal - Patrick - Simmonds
Lindblom - Vorobyov - Konecny
Raffl - Laughton - Leier
Lehterä
Weise
Provorov - MacDonald
Gostisbehere - Hagg
Sanheim - Gudas
Morin
Elliott
Neuvirth
That is a 23 man roster...
Cap hit: $63.5m... will be some bonuses I imagine... but should have ~$10m space.
Giroux - Couturier - Voracek
Weal - Patrick - Simmonds
Lindblom - Vorobyov - Konecny
Raffl - Laughton - Leier
Lehterä
Weise
Provorov - MacDonald
Gostisbehere - Hagg
Sanheim - Gudas
Morin
Elliott
Neuvirth
That is a 23 man roster...
Cap hit: $63.5m... will be some bonuses I imagine... but should have ~$10m space.
I think you are dead on about the forwards but I think a vet defenseman could go by next season. They are already talking up Myers learning curve after a few weeks. IMO that means Gudas will be moved because he is the only one with trade value and not worth putting as a rotating 7th.
Provorov Myers
Ghost Hagg
Sanheim MacDonald
Morin
Appleyard
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Yeh, the defense could be interesting... Really hope they dont move Gudas though, he is very good on a very good contract. AMac does become 'buyable outable' this summer... and maybe, just maybe tradeable with retention.
I also think Lehtera could be bought out or moved with a year left.
BillDineen
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Hextall will have enough space to acquire the equivalent of a Matt Read and bury him in the AHL in exchange for a pick.
Laveuglette
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No harm if they are short contracts. If they are useful and we don't need the cap space short-term, why not? They'll expire before we have to extend the young guys.
There's really not any one interesting in the UFA market unless they are willing to sign for a steal or on a one-year deal. If Tavares makes it to UFA the price will be astronomical so I wouldn't imagine the Flyers having interest there. JvR and Kane, if they make it to UFA, are the other guys I'd have interest in. JvR would be a nice fit here but he's probably going to want a big chunk of change for a long time. Kane is intriguing. He has his obvious off-ice issues (and on-ice issues), but the talent is there. He's off to a hot start this year though. If he had a comparable season to last year I think he could be had for cheap, but he's at over PPG right now so we'll see how he keeps it up. Other than that, there aren't any guys that really make sense going after in a big way. I'm sure there will be some sort of UFA signing to add depth and create competition, but no one really worth making a big splash for.
Only other guy that I really would be curious about is Lars Eller. Not sure what kind of deal he's going to get but I have always liked him.
Other than that like everyone has said, save it for dudes that will need it soon.
Only other guy that I really would be curious about is Lars Eller. Not sure what kind of deal he's going to get but I have always liked him.
Other than that like everyone has said, save it for dudes that will need it soon.
deadhead
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MacDonald, if he continues to play well, should certainly be tradeable at 2yr/$5M if Hextall retains 50% - try finding an equivalent defenseman in free agency for anything approaching that cost and term length.
With Morin, Myers and Friedman knocking on the door, they really have to find a way to move MacDonald.
Lehtera is unmovable, can they even send him down to LHV next year and bury him?
Weise could be tradeable if he posts 20+ points this year, 2 yrs left at a market rate (i.e. the going rate for third line forwards who score 20+ a year).
With Lindblom, NAK and MV, time to move on from him.
Could end up with $15M in cap room, problem is how to use it to save future money (don't want to take on a big money contract for another player in their 30s, already have G & Vs' deal hanging over the future).
If MacDonald keeps playing well, tradng him with retention of half his salary is certainly feasible, MacDonald at 2y/$5M is superior to just about any second tier veteran you'll sign in FA, and Hextall gets $2.5M in cap relief the next two years.
With Myers and Friedman knocking on the door next year, that's would be the best possible outcome.
Captain Dave Poulin
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Not a fan? I would take him in a bottom six role. I just don't know what type of contract he's going to get. Certainly not looking to break the bank on him.Lars Eller?
Hurricane28
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The bottom six is fine without Lars Eller especially with Lindblom and Vorobyev coming up soon
Captain Dave Poulin
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But we are very, very close to the point - and arguably are already there - where we just do not need a guy like that (even if you think he is halfway decent, which is fairly debatable). In fact, at some point very soon it will become counterproductive to put these guys in a position to block our prospects. That's not me overvaluing the guys in our system - we don't know what we have and won't for a while - but I'd really find it nauseating to have one of them ready to stake his claim and be stifled by the presence of the likes of Lars Eller.
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