Kaizer
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Yes, he has. Espo hates Soviets (Russians) with passion. But he got a real punishment for that. If I remember his daughter married Russian player in Florida
Does this player have some relationship with Tretiak ?
Yes, he has. Espo hates Soviets (Russians) with passion. But he got a real punishment for that. If I remember his daughter married Russian player in Florida
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Kaizer, that was the answer that I knew in advance Of course, a lot of people think differently.
Do you know another method to compare leagues without calling russian league "Joke" or "Scraps" because of "lol..told ya so" ? I don't and didt't even try before. Like it or not but it's stil better than comparision based on "told ya so".The USSR teams vs. NHL team games lost relevance after the first few years. They were really cool at first - the game between Montreal and the Red Army in 1975 is going to be viewed as a classic as long as hockey is played - but to cite exhibition games as an example of dominance is foolishness.
LOL.
I don't think Esposito cares about or even remembers those games.
The World Championships is still considered unimporant by Canadian players. We have NEVER sent our best team and many players choose not to go simply because they don't care.
Anyone else hear Espo's mini-rant on Tretriak on xm today?
They were talking about the Hall of Fame and what criteria should be considered, and Espo railed against Tretiak for a few minutes.
Paraphrasing:
"Why is Tretiak in the Hall? What did he ever do"
Asked if he thought Tretiak was a good goalie: "No. I'd play him 80 times a year if I could."
And he said a few more things I can't remember completely. Pretty strong opinions of a guy who's viewed as one of the best ever by many people.
I think Tretiak belongs in the HHOF, and I think he's one of the top 10 goalies ever. In the biggest event in hockey history - the 1972 Summit Series - he was spectacular. In the game that many consider to be the best ever played - the 1975 New Year's Eve game - he was the difference-maker.
Maybe you should've brought better players and the Russians wouldn't have as much to brag about. Frankly, they won and they deserve to brag about it. Who cares what team you guys brought? If you don't care about it, why bother defending the level of players that were brought?
Maybe you should've brought better players and the Russians wouldn't have as much to brag about. Frankly, they won and they deserve to brag about it. Who cares what team you guys brought? If you don't care about it, why bother defending the level of players that were brought?
Ken Dryden.. one of the greatest.. Vezina winner ... legend ... had 6.00 GAA. I don't understand one thing. All games USSR lost, according this thread, it's because of Tretiak. Everything they won, it's because of team in front of him .. strange but still year later at Canada Cup he had 1.33GAA and only game he sit USSR lost 3-7.I heard that too and I completely agree. Many of the players from that Team Canada squad said that once they figured out the Russians they lit Tretiak up. The dude had a 3.87 GAA and was abysmal in the last 3 games.
He maried and finished school year agoAnd what did Tretiak do before that series?
In 1982 team with Gretzky, Gainey, Lowe, Hawerchuk, Smit, Clarke, Sittler, Gartner, Millen in the net and others played 3:3 game against Italy. The fact that a group of ECHL-level or even lower players from Italy got to Team Canada with Gretzky, Hawerchuk and Clarke tells you all you need to know.The fact that a group of college kids from the US got to him tells you all you need to know.
I guess I should brag about the four goals I scored on my son when we played road hockey on the weekend?!?!?!?
In the biggest series of his life when he was in his prime he had 1.33 GAA. He had 3.88, you mentioned, when he was 19 only.In the biggest series of his life - one of the few he played against the best competition in the world - he had a GAA of 3.88.
Ken Dryden.. one of the greatest.. Vezina winner ... legend ... had 6.00 GAA. .
In discussing Soviet hockey and I'm not particularly knowledgeable, I've always assumed that the league was top loaded. Whether it was Dynamo, Red Army, the league was structured so that the majority of players who would play on the national team, would play together on a club team. Was this not the case ?Yep, they kept inviting them just because it's fun to lose at home arena and fans to AHL-level scrubs. I bet only team they fought hard was against Dynamo Riga .. the only series they won. just kidding
Do you know another method to compare leagues without calling russian league "Joke" or "Scraps" because of "lol..told ya so" ? I don't and didt't even try before. Like it or not but it's stil better than comparision based on "told ya so".
I remember in one of the videos about the 72 series, Serge Savard saying that Dryden never played a great 'Dryden' style game against the Soviets, for whatever reason. He didn't excel New Year's Eve 75 either.Yes, Dryden played horrible during that series. As a Canadian, he was embarrassing.
But, Dryden also proved his worth with a decade of play against the world's best in the NHL. Tretiak did not.
I remember in one of the videos about the 72 series, Serge Savard saying that Dryden never played a great 'Dryden' style game against the Soviets, for whatever reason. He didn't excel New Year's Eve 75 either.
It was. "National team always at first place at every level" menatlity. Of course the way CSKA formed was absurd but this also shows how deep level of talent was when teams like Spartak or Krylia Sovetov even after this always were a danger for CSKA..In discussing Soviet hockey and I'm not particularly knowledgeable, I've always assumed that the league was top loaded. Whether it was Dynamo, Red Army, the league was structured so that the majority of players who would play on the national team, would play together on a club team. Was this not the case ?
Legend has it that the one game the Canadian scouts were allowed to see, was Tretiak and co. the day after his 'bachelor party'.He maried and finished school year ago
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Yes, Dryden played horrible during that series. As a Canadian, he was embarrassing.
But, Dryden also proved his worth with a decade of play against the world's best in the NHL. Tretiak did not.
Legend has it that the one game the Canadian scouts were allowed to see, was Tretiak and co. the day after his 'bachelor party'.
Ken Dryden.. one of the greatest.. Vezina winner ... legend ... had 6.00 GAA. I don't understand one thing. All games USSR lost, according this thread, it's because of Tretiak. Everything they won, it's because of team in front of him .. strange but still year later at Canada Cup he had 1.33GAA and only game he sit USSR lost 3-7.
He maried and finished school year ago
In 1982 team with Gretzky, Gainey, Lowe, Hawerchuk, Smit, Clarke, Sittler, Gartner, Millen in the net and others played 3:3 game against Italy. The fact that a group of ECHL-level or even lower players from Italy got to Team Canada with Gretzky, Hawerchuk and Clarke tells you all you need to know.
You should sent your CV before Olympic Games to hockeycanada.ca in case they will play with Switzerland next time
In the biggest series of his life when he was in his prime he had 1.33 GAA. He had 3.88, you mentioned, when he was 19 only.
Middle of the pack teams would tour NA, often play Junior teams, sometimes bolstered Jr. teams. I remember, an old Jacques Plante winning one for the Jr. Canadiens against a touring Soviet team. Plante stood on his head and pretty well won on his own.It was. "National team always at first place at every level" menatlity. Of course the way CSKA formed was absurd but this also shows how deep level of talent was when teams like Spartak or Krylia Sovetov even after this always were a danger for CSKA..
Tretiak proved it in USSR at World Championships against Italy and he survived against all-mighty college kids. Dryden did not.
1982. Italy. Gretzky and Clark. 3:3.And how old were those kids? In their early, early 20's? I know that's still pathetic but when you consider that the team the US college kids beat was full of 30 something vets who've played together for over 10 years, that says something..
Excuse sounds like russian nucler missiles were targeted to Montreal and were ready to start in case Team Canada gathered earlier than 1 week before 1st game of the series.Like many mentioned here already, Team Canada in 1972 was thrown together in a whime. Those players had spent the summer drinking beer and fishing. They also had never played together. Meanwhile, you've got a Soviet team that played together for years and year round ... If team Canada had been given a few more months to train together that series would have been incredibly lopsided.
B squad is Team Canada at Challenge Cup and C squad is Team Canada at Canada Cup in 1981 ?Tretiak was and is still overrated to an extreme degree. He did nothing in his career except tend goal for a Professional allstar team against other countries B and C squads
Canada Cup 1981.What series did he have the 1.33?
The key word is a team. Only game he didn't play USSR lost 3-7.1981 Canada Cup they had a team GAA of 2.60.
Yep, he was the best in 1981 and was ahead of Dryden in 1972. He was only 19 in 1972.Tretiak was the best goaltender in 1981 but he was behind Esposito in 1972 and Vachon in 1976.