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  1. John Flyers Fan

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    Checkout the main page at espn.com

    Slick and well put together thoughts on restarting with a new NHL. They haev some ideas I'm very much against, but overall at least nice to see ESPN making an effort.
     
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    Some details on their plan:

    Re-start with 20 teams, and then as financial stability is gained, start to slowly add more teams.

    16 make the playoffs.

    60 game schedule beginning in early November ending in late march/early April.

    Rosters are 20 players, only 17 can dress (9-6-2)
    Tag-up off sides
    No-touch icing
    No fighting
    4-on-4 OT, followed bya shootout
    Nets made bigger
    Goalie rule similar to AHL
    Mandatory helmets and visors
    Restrictions on goalie equipment

    Enhanced marketing
    Olympics will be a staple
    3 players and a coach will wear mics for every game
    TV will have access to lockerrooms

    Tieried luxury tax system, with the money going into league marketing initiatives


    The 20 teams

    Montreal
    Boston
    Toronto
    Detroit
    Hartford

    Philly
    New York
    New Jersey
    Atlanta
    Miami

    Dallas
    St. Louis
    Chicago
    Minnesota
    Denver

    Los Angeles
    Las Vegas
    Vancouver
    Edmonton
    Calgary

    Plans to expand to the following cities: Phoenix, Seattle, Kansas City, Portland, Ottawa, Pittsburgh, Baltimore/Washington and Columbus.


    More details at espn.com
     
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    F that 20 team crap!!!
     
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    Typical leftist ESPN nonsense. Helmets, visors, no-fighting. No Buffalo. There was no effort put into this. It's nothing more than their wish-list in the hockey they want to televise, not the hockey we want to watch.

    Welcome to the No Hitting League.

    Hartford? *snort*

    Ta,
     
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    Las Vegas gets a team and Ottawa doesn't?...riiiight.

    They lost me with adding shootouts as well.
     
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    Ok, now that I'm past the intial anger of the stupid 20 teams idea, I do agree that it was cool of ESPN to atleast put something out there and even gave it the front page (which lets face it, not a spot the NHL occupies often).
     
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    I'm not a fan of the shootout, but when the NHL returns it sounds as if we'll be seeing shootouts. :banghead:
     
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    Yeah, I know. And I'll be counting the days until they realize it's a mistake and remove them.
     
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    Just curious, why are you all against shootouts?
     
  10. Hockey is not a circus, this just a disrespectful idea right here.
     
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    It's not hockey. Games (playoff spots) shouldn't be decided by penalty shots. Nothing wrong with a tie hockey game
     
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    I'd like the NHL to fix the game, not the outcome.

    As I've said before, the only way a shootout works for me is to hold it before the game. That way teams would have 60 (or 65) minutes to make it's result moot. The drama would be in the game and not a shootout, which is where it belongs in my opinion.
     
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    Why shouldn't games be decided by penalty shots?
     
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    Because hockey is a team game. It is about which team can win , not which team has the 5 better players
     
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    Why shouldn't they be decided by a fastest skater race? Why not by shooting targets? Why not a fight at center ice?

    Because it isn't part of the game.

    Here was a recent poll on these boards.
     
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    But no teams wins
     
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    You certainly don't have to but you didn't answer my question. Unless your answer as to why it shouldn't be there is simply because it's not part of the game.
     
  18. Here are the facts of life on shootouts gentlemen. They are a necessary evil. The thing holding hockey back from getting a major TV contract is the unpredictability in the length of the games (a killer for baseball on the networks was extra innings). There are games that can drag out for ever, and to a casual fan they want to see a definite winner. Nothing is worse than investing three hours of your time to see a sister kisser. As much as we like skate till you puke OT, or games where a tie is a fair result (there are not many of these, I have seen two or three in my life), the majority of the audience out there wants to know who WON the game. There has to be a quick and entertaining way for this to happen in hockey. Hence the shootout. It defines a winner in short order and is a great vehicle for TV. The excitement of the break away is poetic. This is a great seller for TV. Games will be sold on a easily packaged time block (four hours including pre and post game shows). It makes all the sense in the world from a TV point of view.

    Personally I like a lot of the changes suggested by ESPN. There are some great ideas there. I think they could be shaped a little differently, but the fact of the matter is that if you want to grow the game in new and exciting ways you have to make changes for all the right reasons. I think they made some good proposals that could make the NHL a better and more sellable product.
     
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    A truly Americanized version of a new hockey league. I was shocked that they kept a team in Edmonton. They lost me shortly after no fighting though, this is a ridiculous idea. Fighting is as much a part of hockey as the puck and the nets.
     
  20. Beauty eh?

    Beauty eh? Not sure if serious.

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    This ESPNHL business sounds like the equivalent of the "XFL" on ice. They can keep their stupid ass gimicks. We don't need 'em!

    No fighting in hockey? LOL.....suuure.
     
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    NO! The Isles arent a team....thats the only team the Rangers can dominate.
     
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    No Fighting = Many more Bertuzzi type incidents
     
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    I agree with a lot of their suggestions (including the use of shootouts in the regular season) but I cannot abide a ban on fighting or mandatory visors AND helmets. If anything, hard plastic forearm/shoulder pads should be outlawed, as they cause a tremendous number of serious injuries. Enforcing stick violations, more 3 on 3 potential along with their suggestions on goal size/ goalie rules should create more scoring from the power play, thereby eliminating (through the pressure of *gasp* losing) the viscious two-handers we have to endure today.

    Ta,
     
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    C'mon now, that's not fair. They even mentioned that the majority of people voted for fighting but they removed it anyway. I agree that it's a "casual fan" view but not an American view. For the record, this American does NOT want fighting removed at all.
     
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    Your forcing an outcome of a team game with a skills event. The 60-65 minutes are rendered pretty much meaningless.

    In the regular season what is the necessity of having a W or L in every game?

    I have no problem with a tie game in the regular season. This is not the problem with hockey, it's the defensive minded schemes that have taken over.

    Instead of trying to encourage opening up the play a bit, we're focusing on fixing the outcomes of games?

    I believe they were removed in at least one of the Euro leagues. The novelty will wear off.

    But again the NHL seems focused on catering to 'casual fans'. For once, it would be nice if the league listened to the longtime fans.
     
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