Erik Karlsson Megathread (All Proposals, Discussion, Speculation, and Rumors) [MOD 3470]

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Karlsson has a ntc to nix how many teams? And has he already submitted his list?

Say it’s 15 teams, he’s already eliminated half the league. Of the 15 teams remaining, guaranteed not all of them can afford his potential contract. Of the remaining teams, where would Karlsson sign long term with (because even though that team is not on his list, he still might not want to resign there). And finally, would that/those remaining team/s give up what Dorion would want?

TL;DR version: not a chance you’re getting Makar and Rantanen.
 

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Karlsson has a ntc to nix how many teams? And has he already submitted his list?

Say it’s 15 teams, he’s already eliminated half the league. Of the 15 teams remaining, guaranteed not all of them can afford his potential contract. Of the remaining teams, where would Karlsson sign long term with (because even though that team is not on his list, he still might not want to resign there). And finally, would that/those remaining team/s give up what Dorion would want?

TL;DR version: not a chance you’re getting Makar and Rantanen.

Most likely EK wouldn't be interested in discussing extension with any team he's traded to in the summer of 2018. There is zero benefit to it. Better to just wait and see how the fit is, how good the team is and possibly check what's out there in June 2019.

He's going to get a good contract no matter what. He'll make sure he plays on a team he wants to play for and will take the time he needs to find one.
 

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Karlsson has a ntc to nix how many teams? And has he already submitted his list?

Say it’s 15 teams, he’s already eliminated half the league.

It's 10.


Most likely EK wouldn't be interested in discussing extension with any team he's traded to in the summer of 2018. There is zero benefit to it. Better to just wait and see how the fit is, how good the team is and possibly check what's out there in June 2019.

He's going to get a good contract no matter what. He'll make sure he plays on a team he wants to play for and will take the time he needs to find one.

The importance of long term security can not be overstated.
 

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Literally, the only teams he can remove as a trade target are the ones on his NTC. What don't you understand about KARLSSON WANTING TO BE TRADED. He wants out of Ottawa, yesterday. And no, he couldn't remove a team as a trade target just by talking to them. For example, if he can't reach a deal with Colorado on an extension, Ottawa could still trade him to Colorado (just for a lesser return, since there's no extension in place).



Again, EK can't kill trades. He has a limited NTC--that's it. If Ottawa decides to trade him to a team that he doesn't want to sign an extension with, they can do that. In fact, if the market doesn't materialize this summer they might have no choice but to do exactly that.

And again, Ottawa would only give him permission to talk to a team that he's interested in signing with. As I mentioned in another post, it's highly unlikely that they'd let him talk to like Arizona or Carolina since he'd never re-sign. But, the Rangers? That's a different story.



Are you so dense that you thought the bolded was said by EK's agent? It's obviously Karlsson talking there, given that he has a young baby on the way and he'd be the one living in the city, not his agent.

Holy **** you're dumb lol.

Frankly, I'm not worried about him nixing a potential trade to a team like Colorado because the only way Colorado would be interested in him anyway is if he were to agree to an extension. No one is giving up the farm for a one-year deal based on spec that they can re-sign him.
Interesting.

How many teams do you think would still trade for EK if he’s not willing to agree to an extension?

You alluded that colorado could still trade for him but for a lesser package.

Why on earth would the avs trade for him KNOWING he doesn’t want to sign an extension.

That’s Freudian’s entire point. Other than a very small handful of cup contenders, if EK gives any sense he doesn’t want to sign an extension with a team, they’re more than likely not gonna bother tabling any other offer.

Nashville Turris was a perfect example. Nashville was not making annoffer if Turris wasn’t agreeing to an extension. Nashville has no interest otherwise. And I’d assume that pretty much every nhl franchise is gonna feel the same way.
 

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It's mutually beneficial for the Senators to trade Erik Karlsson somewhere he'd want to extend with regardless of him only having a 10 team no trade list. The Senators get a greater return, and Karlsson who has had 2 major injuries this far in his career gets to sign a big contract that'll take him from 28-35 years old and make him 80M+ richer in guaranteed money.

Karlsson could attempt to nix destinations or limit the marketplace by saying he intends to test the open market, or that he will only sign an extension with 1 or 2 teams. This might be a bad play on Karlsson's part if he could see himself just as happy on a few different teams, as it would probably significantly slow down the trade process.

One thing that has been talked about, I believe by Bob McKenzie on one o the TSN 1200 pre-game shows (I might be remembering wrong), is the potential for a sign and trade. This same talk came up at the time Stamkos almost became a UFA. The gist is, Karlsson, the team acquiring him, and the Senators would all work things out so that the team acquiring Karlsson could acquire him after Ottawa signs Karlsson to an 8 year extension. This would be the ultimate win-win-win scenario as Karlsson would get that extremely valuable 8th year of guaranteed money, the team acquiring Karlsson might get a slight discount on the AAV since the 8th year would take place when Karlsson is 36, and the Senators would possibly get a better return.

Ultimately, what Dorion did by keeping Karlsson at the deadline was a risk. But it wasn't unjustified. It's possible Karlsson uses his power to severely limit the market place in the off season, but it's just as possible that Karlsson is open to the idea of signing an extension with a few different teams, and as a result of that combined with summer cap flexibility, Dorion gets a much greater return for Karlsson in the summer. We'll have to wait and see.
 

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This wasn't a sign-and-trade. Turris agreed to an extension with Nashville after he'd been traded.
Although technically the contract was signed after, Poile insisted an extension had to be agreed upon before the trade went through, so Ottawa gave permission for NSH to talk to Turris's agent before the trade. That's why it didn't happen on Friday night when it was first rumored and ended up happening Saturday night instead.
 

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It's mutually beneficial for the Senators to trade Erik Karlsson somewhere he'd want to extend with regardless of him only having a 10 team no trade list. The Senators get a greater return, and Karlsson who has had 2 major injuries this far in his career gets to sign a big contract that'll take him from 28-35 years old and make him 80M+ richer in guaranteed money.

Karlsson could attempt to nix destinations or limit the marketplace by saying he intends to test the open market, or that he will only sign an extension with 1 or 2 teams. This might be a bad play on Karlsson's part if he could see himself just as happy on a few different teams, as it would probably significantly slow down the trade process.

One thing that has been talked about, I believe by Bob McKenzie on one o the TSN 1200 pre-game shows (I might be remembering wrong), is the potential for a sign and trade. This same talk came up at the time Stamkos almost became a UFA. The gist is, Karlsson, the team acquiring him, and the Senators would all work things out so that the team acquiring Karlsson could acquire him after Ottawa signs Karlsson to an 8 year extension. This would be the ultimate win-win-win scenario as Karlsson would get that extremely valuable 8th year of guaranteed money, the team acquiring Karlsson might get a slight discount on the AAV since the 8th year would take place when Karlsson is 36, and the Senators would possibly get a better return.

Ultimately, what Dorion did by keeping Karlsson at the deadline was a risk. But it wasn't unjustified. It's possible Karlsson uses his power to severely limit the market place in the off season, but it's just as possible that Karlsson is open to the idea of signing an extension with a few different teams, and as a result of that combined with summer cap flexibility, Dorion gets a much greater return for Karlsson in the summer. We'll have to wait and see.

Is the whole point of this sign and trade because it’s to be accomplished prior to July 1st?

Otherwise, there’s really no sense in Ottawa signing him to an extension. There’s no gain for anyone. If the acquiring team could just speak to him prior and understand if he’s willing to sign an extension, then that team will just negotiate his contract themselves. They will still be able to offer that 8th year.

If Karlsson really wants out of Ottawa, it’s EXTREMELY unlikely that he’s going to sign an extension prior to the move. Because something could always happen that could nix a deal. An injury, another team making a bigger offer last second.

I see no point in the sign and trade scenario. Unless it’s to be done before July 1st.
 

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Is the whole point of this sign and trade because it’s to be accomplished prior to July 1st?

Otherwise, there’s really no sense in Ottawa signing him to an extension. There’s no gain for anyone. If the acquiring team could just speak to him prior and understand if he’s willing to sign an extension, then that team will just negotiate his contract themselves. They will still be able to offer that 8th year.

If Karlsson really wants out of Ottawa, it’s EXTREMELY unlikely that he’s going to sign an extension prior to the move. Because something could always happen that could nix a deal. An injury, another team making a bigger offer last second.

I see no point in the sign and trade scenario. Unless it’s to be done before July 1st.

A sign and trade is impossible before July 1. Karlsson can not sign an extension until July 1. If karlsson really wants out, signing a contract to facilitate a trade makes plenty of sense.
 

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A sign and trade is impossible before July 1. Karlsson can not sign an extension until July 1. If karlsson really wants out, signing a contract to facilitate a trade makes plenty of sense.
But that’s what doesn’t make sense.

Why even bother signing with Ottawa prior to?

Why not just do the extension once he is traded.

If for example, St Louis speaks to him prior and knows the ballpark of what he wants, and that he’s be willing to sign in St Louis, there’s zero reason for Ottawa to sign him to his extension.

There’s also little reason for Karlsson to sign prior to the deal.
 

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Would still love Karlsson in Tampa Bay. He feels like a great fallback plan if McDonagh wants to go after the big payday. Feels like Karlsson would play for less than McDavid money to play here since tweets stated going to the Lightning was his preferred destination and that was to keep in mind in re-signing
 
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But that’s what doesn’t make sense.

Why even bother signing with Ottawa prior to?

Why not just do the extension once he is traded.

If for example, St Louis speaks to him prior and knows the ballpark of what he wants, and that he’s be willing to sign in St Louis, there’s zero reason for Ottawa to sign him to his extension.

There’s also little reason for Karlsson to sign prior to the deal.

I don't think the sequence of events matters, the point would be a team would be trading for Karlsson with the knowledge that he will have a contract past 2019. I'm not even saying a sign and trade is likely, what I'm suggesting is the same as a scenario as you are. Was pointing out more that a contract can not be signed before July 1.
 

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It's 10.




The importance of long term security can not be overstated.

With the condition of Karlsson's ankle it's in his best interest to sign long term before next season starts. He'll get 8 years with the team he's traded to and i'm sure they will give him whatever he wants since they probably paid a lot to Ottawa to acquire him.
 

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But that’s what doesn’t make sense.

Why even bother signing with Ottawa prior to?

Why not just do the extension once he is traded.

Sens fans aren't interested in that bit of truth, because it ruins their fantasies of getting a Lindros-esque return for him.

In reality, Karlsson is going to be traded on the basis that he's headed to FA. There's no reason for him not to.
 

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Sens fans aren't interested in that bit of truth, because it ruins their fantasies of getting a Lindros-esque return for him.

In reality, Karlsson is going to be traded on the basis that he's headed to FA. There's no reason for him not to.

It’s ridiculous to believe that if this plays out past July 1 teams won’t explore the possibility of an extension.
 

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Would still love Karlsson in Tampa Bay. He feels like a great fallback plan if McDonagh wants to go after the big payday. Feels like Karlsson would play for less than McDavid money to play here since tweets stated going to the Lightning was his preferred destination and that was to keep in mind in re-signing

Wouldn't surprise me if SY tried again at the draft. I don't know if he would pull it off but you never know with SY.
 

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Since you have all the answers, where is he signing?

The team that offers him the most money in the best (re: most hospitable and tax-friendly) city... in other words, something he won't know until July 1st of next year when he can review every possible offer.

Again, with someone that has his injury history, why wouldn't he want to take the biggest possible paycheck? Let the bidders play off of one another until there's a clear winner.
 
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The team that offers him the most money in the best (re: most hospitable and tax-friendly) city... in other words, something he won't know until July 1st of next year when he can review every possible offer.

Again, with someone that has his injury history, why wouldn't he want to take the biggest possible paycheck? Let the bidders play off of one another until there's a clear winner.

It’s interestig you mention his ankle but dismiss the idea of him wanting the security of an 8 year extension this summer.
 

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Wouldn't surprise me if SY tried again at the draft. I don't know if he would pull it off but you never know with SY.

It's hard to say what he would give up. Losing Howden, Hajek, Namestnikov and those picks were enough. Unless he goes with roster players I think we're out of the EK sweepstakes until he hits the open market
 

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Here's an off-the-wall trade idea...

TO PHI:
- Erik Karlsson

TO OTT:
- both 2018 1st round picks (STL+PHI)
- Samuel Morin
- Morgan Frost
- Jori Lehtera (salary)
 

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I think that's a solid call. Unless Tampa gets real close and falls short. A Hedman-Karlsson pairing needs to happen just because.

I think that ship sailed when they picked up McDonagh. It didn't look like Tampa was offering a whole lot at the deadline and the pieces they were willing to part with went to New York.

Vegas is ideal from a Sens POV, they have a plethora of picks, high end young players, and George Mcphee as a dance partner.
 
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