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Chiarelli quietly burning down small villages.

He's made a bunch of solid minor moves of late.
Which ones are those? I seriously don't get it. I don't follow our minor league system a lot.

That's what Chia does. His big moves are hit or miss but he consistently nails the small deals.

Huh? How is Chia given credit for a botched decision to go for Nillson. Which was obviously half backed and which I said so at the time. We gave away a 5th pick. Nothing major, granted, but not a virtuoso move either just giving draft picks away. Certainly not something that he "nailed".
 

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Which ones are those? I seriously don't get it. I don't follow our minor league system a lot.



Huh? How is Chia given credit for a botched decision to go for Nillson. Which was obviously half backed and which I said so at the time. We gave away a 5th pick. Nothing major, granted, but not a virtuoso move either just giving draft picks away. Certainly not something that he "nailed".

We didn't give away a 5th pick. We gave away Liam Coughlin, who is an absolute longshot to even play AHL hockey at this point. Nilsson did what he needed to do which was hold the crease long enough for Talbot to get comfortable.
 

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We didn't give away a 5th pick. We gave away Liam Coughlin, who is an absolute longshot to even play AHL hockey at this point. Nilsson did what he needed to do which was hold the crease long enough for Talbot to get comfortable.

OK, I heard people mention 5th pick and went with that. Not sure what they were talking about. In anycase what small deals is Chia owning lately. I'm not aware of anything he's even done lately other than obtain Clendenning, Kassian. btw imo it would require zero foresight to take a chance on Kassian. We need his intangibles as I stated at the time.
 

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Lundström actually looked a good prospect for the Blues when we first drafted him, looked better than Binnington at first. Then he was loaned to Södertälje. They were a bad team in Swedish second tier, he looked strong for the first month or two and then just fell apart. He hasn't looked up to much since.

He might end up as a serviceable AHL goalie, but I doubt it'll be anything better. Hopefully he works out, but the Blues just have too many goalie prospects for him to have any chance here.
 

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OK, I heard people mention 5th pick and went with that. Not sure what they were talking about. In anycase what small deals is Chia owning lately. I'm not aware of anything he's even done lately other than obtain Clendenning, Kassian. btw imo it would require zero foresight to take a chance on Kassian. We need his intangibles as I stated at the time.

You were right as always. Please let that end yet another thread hijack.

Consistently failed on both small and big and in-between moves.

MacT had his odd moment in the sun. Not many, but there were a few.

Getting anything at all for Sammy Snowpants. Roy for Arcobello.

That Perron for Klink and the Pit 1st deal was probably MacT's best deal.

Not arguing MacT was competent as a GM. Just sayin' he wasn't 100% wrong all the time.
 

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He moved a wasted pick for a goalie to challenge Scrivens for the backup position and won it out and gave us a few really good starts as Talbot got settled. He then moved that goalie for a meh goalie prospect and a 5th. We went from Coughlin to a 5th and a goalie prospect. That's a win.

He moved Larsen who didn't want to play for us again for a 5th(possibly a 4th)

Got Kassian for Scrivens which is a huge win.

These are minor decals which have seen us get something from nothing or an improvement of assets.

It's something good gms are able to do.
 

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He moved a wasted pick for a goalie to challenge Scrivens for the backup position and won it out and gave us a few really good starts as Talbot got settled. He then moved that goalie for a meh goalie prospect and a 5th. We went from Coughlin to a 5th and a goalie prospect. That's a win.

He moved Larsen who didn't want to play for us again for a 5th(possibly a 4th)

Got Kassian for Scrivens which is a huge win.

These are minor decals which have seen us get something from nothing or an improvement of assets.

It's something good gms are able to do.

Thanks for the response. I misread the deal, we're getting the 5th. Reading the thread and a comment on first page confused that. Thought we were giving away a 5th in the deal.

meh, guess I'm losing patience with the team and that these are not huge deals. Happy about Kassian, but not about Clendenning.

In anycase can't entirely be missed that Chia betted wrong on Nillson. Sure he cleaned up the mess, credit there, but still this thread is about Nillson moving on. No great loss there. Why did we ever have him? Scrivens could have played the backup role you mention until Talbot got running.
 

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It's still too.............???

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He moved a wasted pick for a goalie to challenge Scrivens for the backup position and won it out and gave us a few really good starts as Talbot got settled. He then moved that goalie for a meh goalie prospect and a 5th. We went from Coughlin to a 5th and a goalie prospect. That's a win.

He moved Larsen who didn't want to play for us again for a 5th(possibly a 4th)

Got Kassian for Scrivens which is a huge win.

These are minor decals which have seen us get something from nothing or an improvement of assets.

It's something good gms are able to do.

It's still too early to anoint Chia as a "good gm" over minor deals...........you and I could do that sitting on our desk with our laptops.

When Chia.........makes a major deal like trading one of the 6 Million kids for two quality defencemen.........then we can really applaud his work.......not right now.
 

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Thanks for the response. I misread the deal, we're getting the 5th. Reading the thread and a comment on first page confused that. Thought we were giving away a 5th in the deal.

meh, guess I'm losing patience with the team and that these are not huge deals. Happy about Kassian, but not about Clendenning.

In anycase can't entirely be missed that Chia betted wrong on Nillson. Sure he cleaned up the mess, credit there, but still this thread is about Nillson moving on. No great loss there. Why did we ever have him? Scrivens could have played the backup role you mention until Talbot got running.
Scrivens probably wasn't motivated in the summer so they grabbed Nilsson to be like "dude you aren't getting gifted a job, work for it" and then Nilsson did better then expected and Scrivens did awful in the ahl.

Lots of gms take risks on players and they don't always turn out. What they do to clean up the mess is a good way to judge a gm. MacT would mess up and just let it fester.

Chia recognizes his mistake and cleans up the mess and actually comes out ahead.
 

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It's still too early to anoint Chia as a "good gm" over minor deals...........you and I could do that sitting on our desk with our laptops.

When Chia.........makes a major deal like trading one of the 6 Million kids for two quality defencemen.........then we can really applaud his work.......not right now.
You can judge a gm by the minor moves as those are actually sometimes harder to pull off.

All our big guys have value, anyone can trade those and get something good back.

Moving low value assets for more then they are worth is much more difficult.
 

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Which ones are those? I seriously don't get it. I don't follow our minor league system a lot.



Huh? How is Chia given credit for a botched decision to go for Nillson. Which was obviously half backed and which I said so at the time. We gave away a 5th pick. Nothing major, granted, but not a virtuoso move either just giving draft picks away. Certainly not something that he "nailed".

He turned Liam Coughlin into a 5th and an AHL backup... pretty good value.
 

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In anycase can't entirely be missed that Chia betted wrong on Nillson. Sure he cleaned up the mess, credit there, but still this thread is about Nillson moving on. No great loss there. Why did we ever have him? Scrivens could have played the backup role you mention until Talbot got running.

Past form of to bet is bet.

It was an open competition in training camp for the backup goalie job. Nillson beat out Scrivens. How is that bad on Chia?

Chia brought in Nillson who played better than Scrivens in training camp. Nilsson had a phenomenal run in December, before Talbot got running.

As you said Chia cleaned it up and provided the team with more value.

Pretty good asset management by Chia. Nothing to criticize here.

It's still too early to anoint Chia as a "good gm" over minor deals...........you and I could do that sitting on our desk with our laptops.

When Chia.........makes a major deal like trading one of the 6 Million kids for two quality defencemen.........then we can really applaud his work.......not right now.

Really? If it were that easy why don't teams make trades based on polls on hockey message boards? Because it's insane!!!
 

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Scrivens probably wasn't motivated in the summer so they grabbed Nilsson to be like "dude you aren't getting gifted a job, work for it" and then Nilsson did better then expected and Scrivens did awful in the ahl.

Lots of gms take risks on players and they don't always turn out. What they do to clean up the mess is a good way to judge a gm. MacT would mess up and just let it fester.

Chia recognizes his mistake and cleans up the mess and actually comes out ahead.

Absolutely... if a trade is going to fail... let it fail quickly and make the next move. Chia did that with Scrivens and Nilsson.
 

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Scrivens probably wasn't motivated in the summer so they grabbed Nilsson to be like "dude you aren't getting gifted a job, work for it" and then Nilsson did better then expected and Scrivens did awful in the ahl.

Lots of gms take risks on players and they don't always turn out. What they do to clean up the mess is a good way to judge a gm. MacT would mess up and just let it fester.

Chia recognizes his mistake and cleans up the mess and actually comes out ahead.

Well the point is we're not ahead, at all. We have McDavid, Nurse, Drai added to stable of competent players and we're still not better. As Rosemount mentioned I'll believe that when I see it. So far Chia for the most part has attained players that were easily available.
The lack of help he's brought in during the season is troubling.
 

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Well the point is we're not ahead, at all. We have McDavid, Nurse, Drai added to stable of competent players and we're still not better. As Rosemount mentioned I'll believe that when I see it. So far Chia for the most part has attained players that were easily available.
The lack of help he's brought in during the season is troubling.
Fair but i still firmly believe the season was a write off. Yes we did much worse then they wanted but it was an evaluation season for Chia so i will give him the benefit of the doubt. If he ***** the bed in the off season then my pitchfork is ready.

Judging him solely on the moves he has done (value wise) he has succeeded more than failed.
 

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Definition of a meh trade. Essentially got the asset back that we gave up to acquire him in the first place.

The one hiccup being that Nilsson has proven in short stretches that he can excel in both this league and the AHL. A team with better development might be able to make a player out of him. Best of luck to him.

This deal is a nothing deal for both teams, except the blues have a far better chance at getting a player out of it.
 

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so when Purcell goes for a 2nd or a 3rd... and Schultz goes for garbage himself... is it going to get the same reaction as this? Cuz I don't understand why everyone is so worked up on the trade rumours thread, absolutely begging for anything to happen... everyone and their dog knows what's going to happen, IT IS going happen, and it won't be exciting in the slightest... the Oilers don't have many enticing assets to most teams that are realistically available.

the only cool trade would be a Yakupov or Eberle trade but there's slim to no chance either of those happening in season.
 

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so when Purcell goes for a 2nd or a 3rd... and Schultz goes for garbage himself... is it going to get the same reaction as this? Cuz I don't understand why everyone is so worked up on the trade rumours thread, absolutely begging for anything to happen... everyone and their dog knows what's going to happen, IT IS going happen, and it won't be exciting in the slightest... the Oilers don't have many enticing assets to most teams that are realistically available.

the only cool trade would be a Yakupov or Eberle trade but there's slim to no chance either of those happening in season.

Not quite sure the reaction you are referring to. A positive reaction?

If Chia gets a second for Purcell that's a great deal.

Dumping Schultz for anything without taking on a brutal contract back will be well received by the fan base.
 

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Agree completely.

If we get anything at the deadline like Purcell or Schultz we most likely aren't getting anything of value, are we?

I know the rumors of bigger trades but I can't see those coming till the off season.

Either way, I guess it's fun to get excited about. It's not as if we have much else.
 

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shoop.............???

Past form of to bet is bet.

It was an open competition in training camp for the backup goalie job. Nillson beat out Scrivens. How is that bad on Chia?

Chia brought in Nillson who played better than Scrivens in training camp. Nilsson had a phenomenal run in December, before Talbot got running.

As you said Chia cleaned it up and provided the team with more value.

Pretty good asset management by Chia. Nothing to criticize here.



Really? If it were that easy why don't teams make trades based on polls on hockey message boards? Because it's insane!!!

I was being sarcastic...........to make a point.........the point is that it is too early to judge Chia based on minor deals. We cannot truly judge Chia until after the 2016 entry draft and after the free agency period opens.
 

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Not to sound like a dick..But the Condors making the playoffs is the last thing I care about. They run to many AHL vets near the top of their team. They need to be more like the Sens farm team and be loaded with our young guys. Slepy was on the fourth line last night, Klink on the first. I know Klink is playing well down there, but our future players should be playing.

Yeah good point, I would much rather see our future players get the most ice time and standings and playoffs be damned. It's possible that Shlepy is not very good and has moved down the depth chart. He could pull a Bohdan and flee to the KHL.
 

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I really like this deal from an asset management standpoint as I believe the plan is to have Brossoit in the NHL next season, and I think Nilsson would jump back overseas if we didn't deal him. So basically we get a 5th and a replacement AHL goalie for a guy who wouldn't have resigned here.

What I really don't like about this deal is how it affects this organization for the remainder of the season. With no news on a Klefbom return and the chances of bringing in a bonafide defender at this point in the season we are likely running this group as our D for the remainder of the year:

Sekera Nurse
Davidson Oesterle
Clendening Fayne
Reinhart Gryba

We are a Cam Talbot injury away from running a Brossoit/Laurikainen tandem behind that defense for a 20 game stretch. And that would leave Niklas Lundstrom who has played all of 4 AHL games this season to lead the Condors on their playoff drive. Here's to the health of Cam Talbot! :cheers:
 

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It's still too early to anoint Chia as a "good gm" over minor deals...........you and I could do that sitting on our desk with our laptops.

When Chia.........makes a major deal like trading one of the 6 Million kids for two quality defencemen.........then we can really applaud his work.......not right now.

I'm thinking if the average hockey fan was given that kind of power they would get a rather rude awakening on the realities of contract and salary cap management.
 

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