Series Talk: ECSF: New York Rangers vs. Carolina Hurricanes (NYR Lead 3-2)

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

As funny as this is I worry that it'll give the Canes PP confidence and will make them a factor in the series.

That PPG to win game 4 is exactly what they've should've been doing the whole time. Low to high and blast it to the net with a decent screen in Shesty's kitchen. A lot of the Carolina power plays in games 1-3, they were trying to do the fancy play or try to play like their 5v5 strategy which is just shovel the puck to the net on any chance they get with no traffic. It might be little too late for Carolina but you better bet that Florida is paying attention and will probably park Tkachuk or someone equally annoying in front of Shesty if the FLA/NYR series happens.

 

[StrmSurge]

That PPG to win game 4 is exactly what they've should've been doing the whole time. Low to high and blast it to the net with a decent screen in Shesty's kitchen. A lot of the Carolina power plays in games 1-3, they were trying to do the fancy play or try to play like their 5v5 strategy which is just shovel the puck to the net on any chance they get with no traffic. It might be little too late for Carolina but you better bet that Florida is paying attention and will probably park Tkachuk or someone equally annoying in front of Shesty if the FLA/NYR series happens.

Indeed. Basically what I've been saying this whole series. Stop shrinking the ice in the offensive zone by playing/passing in front of the goal crease against these long reach rags sticks. Not only have they blown tons of chances, multiple got poked out for odd man rushes on our own net.

Now somebody just has to fill in RBA. As you say , even if they do it, may be too late.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah but when was the last time there were 37 heads in a row []? Not sure what that proves tbh.

Anyway, does this freak anyone else out or just me (I know, I know, “just you”. But hear me out (and no, I’m not on acid)):

You know how to win a tournament with 64 teams you have to win 6 games (like the NCAA basketball tournament), so I assume that the odds of winning 6 games in a row is 1/64 for all teams?

But regardless, suppose there were 100 trillion trillion teams in a tournament such that to win it you had to win a million games (or however the math works, say 100 trillion trillion trillion teams or whatever). Then the odds of winning a million games in a row would be 1/100 trillion trillion (or whatever), or 1/100 trillion trillion trillion (or whatever). But my point is that regardless of the odds, one team would have to win a million games in a row and this is necessarily the case: one team would necessarily win a million games in a row.

Or, again, suppose every grain of sand on a beach (I swear I’m not on acid. Just on the GO Bus and forgot my stupid headphones) decided to have a coin-flipping tournament. One “grain of sand” would have to guess right a million times in a row, and, again, necessarily (because you have to guess right to advance to the next round).

Anyway, maybe it’s a flashback but this kinda freaks me out. Actually I think it’s kinda cool. Odds can be whatever they are but someone has to win a million times in a row (or whatever). Necessarily.

If you could convert this analogy to fit the odds of winning the lottery, you could probably get a lot of people to stop playing the lottery.

“Hey buddy, wanna put some money on whether you can flip 32 tails in a row?”

 

[TheWrongWay]

That's certainly a valid way to look at things.

Personally, I look at is 4 close games that were a shot or save away from going differently, suggesting that these are two very evenly-matched teams.

If you believe, by talent or performance, that one of the teams has more to give that they simply haven't, then obviously you're not going to draw the same conclusion, you're going to believe the next game(s) will play out differently from the first four.

I don't EXPECT Carolina to come back in the series. There's a reason reverse sweeps are rare. The smart money is that this ends with Carolina spending the off-season kicking themselves over games they had on the tip of the stick but couldn't manage to put away. I'm not dumb enough to bet my house on a historical rarity in a game often decided by random bounces.

I just think odds of it happening in this case are slightly better than the average odds you'd give a reverse sweep, based on how tightly the series has been played.

Fair enough. But teams come back from 0-3 only 1.9% of the time. Better than that average still is pretty bleak.

 

[bobholly39]

Good on the Jerks for winning a game - but it ends tonight.

 

[super6646]

Skjei is great. As a Rangers fan, I'd be doing backflips if they could dump enough of Trouba's contract to sign Skjei as a UFA. Would create MUCH better balance on the Rangers blueline.

As for the series, I'm not particularly worried (the Rangers only lost four games in a row ONCE this season). Frankly, it might end up being a good thing. A bit of adversity, dealing with a tough loss and being forced to rebound, dealing with a tough call at the end of the game (it was a penalty, and they should have been able to kill it, but after a game where the refs were swallowing the whistles? It was a rough call considering the timing)--these are things that can further battle-test this group. Wake up guys who might have been reading their own headlines and coasting a bit.

All that said, the sooner the Rangers can close it out, the better. Seems pretty clear that Fox's knee could use a bit of rest/rehab.

Brady Skjei and Adam Fox would be a better defensive pair than brad park and Bobby Orr. Rangers would be competing for cups for a decade assuming Laviollette didn’t blow it like AV or Crap Quinn.

 

[DevilDog99]

A one goal game is pretty much a coin flip. That’s why games won by one goal are not reliably consistent year over year.

A team that wins 20 1-goal games on year may win 2 the next. When scores are that tight, the inherent variance of hockey is a huge factor.

Please stop typing. This is so stupid, I won’t even stoop so low to try and explain why this is dumb.

 

[CTHabsfan]

Brady Skjei and Adam Fox would be a better defensive pair than brad park and Bobby Orr. Rangers would be competing for cups for a decade assuming Laviollette didn’t blow it like AV or Crap Quinn.

Brady Skjei and Adam Fox would be a better defensive pair than a 75-year-old Brad Park and a 76-year-old Bobby Orr. Skjei and Fox would be an excellent pair, but they are nowhere close to a prime Park and Orr.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Fair enough. But teams come back from 0-3 only 1.9% of the time. Better than that average still is pretty bleak.

But how often can you flip 4 tails in a row? I think that's really the only important question here according to most of this thread

Good on the Jerks for winning a game - but it ends tonight.

But we want to keep playing. Can we please stay up a bit later?

 

[bobholly39]

But we want to keep playing. Can we please stay up a bit later?

Yes - you can stay up till past midnight and lose in 3rd OT.

You're welcome.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Yes - you can stay up till past midnight and lose in 3rd OT.

You're welcome.

But it's a school day tmro. Can I stay home because I will be too tired?

 

[TheWrongWay]

But how often can you flip 4 tails in a row? I think that's really the only important question here according to most of this thread

Most of the thread? Prior to game 4, Carolina wasn't even winning its own PP.

That nonsensical rationalizing would be relevant if I perceived it as a coin flip. I don't. Maybe you can argue that a game that ends tied is a 50/50 coin toss. But playoff games don't end in ties.

A team that wins by one goal executed one goal better than the opposition.

Carolina won last game by executing better on their opportunities. I don't try to rationalize that or look for ways to explain it away. None of that nonsense will alter the score.

All that matters at the end of a game is which team scored more goals.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Most of the thread? Prior to game 4, Carolina wasn't even winning its own PP.

That nonsensical rationalizing would be relevant if I perceived it as a coin flip. I don't. Maybe you can argue that a game that ends tied is a 50/50 coin toss. But playoff games don't end in ties.

A team that wins by one goal executed one goal better than the opposition.

Carolina won last game by executing better on their opportunities. I don't try to rationalize that or look for ways to explain it away. None of that nonsense will alter the score.

All that matters at the end of a game is which team scored more goals.

Dude... it was a joke. This thread has had more talk about coins than... I don't know... like a coin collector convention or something.

 

[TheWrongWay]

Dude... it was a joke. This thread has had more talk about coins than... I don't know... like a coin collector convention or something.

My bad. I am concussed at the moment and can't think too well. If there was sarcasm or whatever there, sorry if I missed it.

 

[Chrispy]

Yeah but when was the last time there were 37 heads in a row []? Not sure what that proves tbh.

Coincidentally, the same year the Rangers last won the cup.

 

[Mr Kot]

I swear to god rangers, if you f*** this up

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

yeah many NY fans have, does it piss me off? Yes. Do I continue to care about the 94' references? No. Many of us aren't as superstitious and I have a good amount of Devils buddies that feel the exact same way with mainstream fan intervention.
Rangers do deserved to get humbled here but yet it's only now when they look shaky do certain bad faith fans come out of the woodwork.

No shit, buddy. That's how sports talk works, lmao. Why would people lambast NYR when things were going well with their 7-0 start? NYR is still an elite hockey team but this is their first true test of adversity this playoffs, it remains to be seen if they get over the hump or fold like they did v NJ/TB the past 2 years. Also not sure what the Devils buddies comment is, every Devils fan knew how to win that series last year and they perfected it to a tee.

 

[Plural]

Canes have felt a bit better team througout the series. Still, two elimination games to be won for them. I see Rangers as a slight favorite to take the series, but Canes have a decent chance. Stay out of the box and you most likely have this series in a bag.

 

[JaegerDice]

That's 2.

Now lets see if Carolina can win Game 6 at home and REALLY ratchet up the pressure.

Can't win 4 without winning 3 first.

As I said before in this thread. The chances of a reverse sweep are always low, but by reverse sweep standards, the chances in this case seemed better than average.

I just don't think winning 3 coin flips in a row speaks to any real advantage in play.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Good on the Jerks for winning a game - but it ends tonight.

So... about that?

 

[BrockLobster]

I swear to god rangers, if you f*** this up

Love to see it

 

[Sdevils42]

A team reliant on elite goaltending and the power play doesn’t get elite goaltending and doesn’t score on the power play and loses… shocker.

 

[toomuchsauce]

I know, like, jordan staal or whatever, but I can't believe ESPN just made me see both chris osgood and a versus logo on my tv. they should blur that shit out like nudity

 

[Sdevils42]

Brady Skjei and Adam Fox would be a better defensive pair than brad park and Bobby Orr. Rangers would be competing for cups for a decade assuming Laviollette didn’t blow it like AV or Crap Quinn.

 

[trilobyte]

If you laughed at, derided and criticized the New York Rangers during this Game 5, I salute you and give you all a thumbs up!
They do deserve to be slammed hard.
Hurricanes came to play, and play they did. Good on them.

On to Raleigh.