Series Talk: ECQF: Boston Bruins vs Toronto Maple Leafs (Series Tied 3-3)

[Arthur Morgan]

Point being is that any 'reasonable' GM keeps his RFAs in check...Comparing the Leafs with the Sens is like asking if you like ketchup or mustard with your turd sandwich - it's still a turd sandwich.

there are other players that signed big contracts before they did that too. this isnt just a Leafs or Sens thing.

 

[Ratsreign]

Ok now what’s an heavily filtered poser.

Filters are what is used to enhance your appearance in pics, if I understand it correctly
Posers - people who are putting on an act.... like the dudes back in high school who can’t even swim sitting at the beach with a surfboard trying to meet girls

 

[T REX]

If they win this series they will win the cup,

Heard that last year too

 

[Chaos2k7]

Hey man, I get it lol

I’m the first one in line challenging this team to prove to me that I have them all wrong

Lots of Panthers fans expected more from Toronto, myself included

 

[FMichael]

there are other players that signed big contracts before they did that too. this isnt just a Leafs or Sens thing.

And yet here we are discussing the Leafs - this is the point - this is why they are so scrutinized.

 

[hatterson]

I agree with reputation preceding the actual results and am just arguing that the 'culture' built from those versions of the Bruins is producing teams that 'overachieve'. So the culture and playing style is indeed Cup-worthy and that it's the players and overall talent that stop them from going further.

A winning culture is turning good players into great in the playoffs that can't complete with other teams that have a great culture/winning playstyle AND elite players.

But how does “overall talent that stop them from going further.” mesh with being the single best regular season team in the league over that timeframe.

It’s not like they’re some plucky underdog who is battling into the 7th or 8th seed and then getting overwhelmed, they’re a team that’s been consistently right near the President’s trophy year in and year out.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

there are other players that signed big contracts before they did that too. this isnt just a Leafs or Sens thing.

Yeah it’s pretty much a league wide thing. You try to lock up your young stars early.
The only unique thing with the Leafs is that that they had 3 young stars all at the same time. The smart thing would have been to probably be a bit more proactive and sign one or two earlier at more friendly contracts.

 

[Chaos2k7]

If Matthews was hurt/sick before the playoffs why didn't they rest him the last few games? Was his chase for 70 more important then the playoff's?

Fireable offense

 

[Arthur Morgan]

And yet here we are discussing the Leafs - this is the point - this is why they are so scrutinized.

cool man, so lets just ignore that teams pay players for potential now a days

Yeah it’s pretty much a league wide thing. You try to lock up your young stars early.
The only unique thing with the Leafs is that that they had 3 young stars all at the same time. The smart thing would have been to probably be a bit more proactive and sign one or two earlier at more friendly contracts.

imo Marner was the only one to really took too much. also Tavares was overkill but that cap was suppose to rise every year and it didnt. really back fired on them

 

[FMichael]

cool man, so lets just ignore that teams pay players for potential now a days


imo Marner was the only one to really took too much. also Tavares was overkill but that cap was suppose to rise every year and it didnt. really back fired on them

Maybe GMs shouldn't be willing to hand over blank checks...Maybe Toronto would be a better balanced team...Maybe...

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I swear though, if Matthews doesnt play and hes just sick.... I dunno if I should be held responsible for the words Ill have to say about him.
he can wear a diaper if hes got the shits, he can puke in a bucket on the bench. get ur ass out there and play.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

cool man, so lets just ignore that teams pay players for potential now a days


imo Marner was the only one to really took too much. also Tavares was overkill but that cap was suppose to rise every year and it didnt. really back fired on them

Agreed. The contracts are fine individually. I think Dubas’ big error was not being more proactive and locking up at least one earlier.
Say you lock up Marner before he breaks out for example. Kind of like what Vancouver did with Quinn Hughes, Colorado did with Mack and NJ did with Jack Hughes. You need to try to get value out of these young guys.

 

[BallardEra]

Now reports are suggesting it's an injury that has been "lingering"

If this is the truly the case, then he shouldn't have been chasing 70.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Agreed. The contracts are fine individually. I think Dubas’ big error was not being more proactive and locking up one at least earlier.
Say you lock up Marner before he breaks out for example. Kind of like what Vancouver did with Quinn Hughes, Colorado did with Mack and NJ did with Jack Hughes. You need to try to get value out of these young guys.

Marner asked for Draisaitl's money or maybe even less he wanted 8x8 or 8x8.5m if I remember correctly and either Lou or Dubas refused it then he's like Matthews isnt Matthews without me so I want the same. guy gets just under 11.
if I was GM I prob would have used Tavares as a benchmark and kept them under it

 

[FMichael]

I swear though, if Matthews doesnt play and hes just sick.... I dunno if I should be held responsible for the words Ill have to say about him.
he can wear a diaper if hes got the shits, he can puke in a bucket on the bench. get ur ass out there and play.

What's up with AM34?

What little I know - was it not team MDs who wanted him not to play the 3rd period?

Long-term residual effects from Covid - cardiac arrhythmias ?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

If this is the truly the case, then he shouldn't have been chasing 70.

If that’s actually true both the team and Matthews will be facing a long summer of questions.

 

[Dog]

Mitch Marner's last game as a Leaf is finally here.

Been waiting for this reality to hit since the 2020 loss to Columbus.

No offense but I would of trade him at least year ago when he had more value. Guy is soft as they come. Just hope they get some value in him still so they can just move on. I would guess Nylander is now top line RW going forward and if we get something back from Marner that we can use then do it. Preferably moving him out west but as long as not in same division would be nice.

 

[Barnum]

I dunno what Swayman is even talking about anyways. its not like he was an early pick and it was easy to know whos early in the lead. by the 4th round teams lists are completely different.

one thing that people forget is if it wasn't for covid putting the NHL into a flat cap for 4 years, the cap wouldn't have ever been an issue. when you sign star players to a high % of the cap. the idea is that as the cap rises it take up less % of the cap. that never happened.
also teams pay for potential now a days. look at Ottawa, their entire core is signed long term and they finished 2nd last in the division


that post is just pure nonsense, maybe it would be considered a snub if Swayman was an early pick. in the 4th round teams lists look alot different and Ian Scott looked pretty solid back then. who knows if we took Swayman I would put money down he wouldnt be what he is right now for us.
we stink at developing goalies

Ignore it, its just Ryan Whitney fabricating stories to create some buzz for his podcast. I’ve never heard Swayman say anything about this, in fact the dude is Mr Positive and happy go lucky from my observations.

 

[Blowfish]

Yeah it’s pretty much a league wide thing. You try to lock up your young stars early.
The only unique thing with the Leafs is that that they had 3 young stars all at the same time. The smart thing would have been to probably be a bit more proactive and sign one or two earlier at more friendly contracts.

Wrong.

Successful teams start with D and goalie and elite Center. Not 4 over-priced unproven forwards. IMO Tavares was a colossal blunder by Dubas.

 

[hatterson]

What's up with AM34?

What little I know - was it not team MDs who wanted him not to play the 3rd period?

Long-term residual effects from Covid - cardiac arrhythmias ?

Keefe said that it was the doctors who pulled him in game 3. Keefe also was the one who said the illness was "lingering" but he didn't give a timeline to indicate if he just meant that he was sick after game 2, struggled a bit in game 3 and they figured he be better for 4 but he got worse and hasn't recovered after it or if he meant lingering as in ongoing for weeks or months.

Those two scenarios are (obviously) vastly different.

I do think it's worth noting that he finished the regular season on a tear (10 goals in 8 games, then 12 shots in 2 games try to get 70), then was good in game 1, excellent in game 2, and then it was game 3 that he started looking off for which doesn't really seem to line up with a weeks long illness.

 

[BCNate]

No offense but I would of trade him at least year ago when he had more value. Guy is soft as they come. Just hope they get some value in him still so they can just move on. I would guess Nylander is now top line RW going forward and if we get something back from Marner that we can use then do it. Preferably moving him out west but as long as not in same division would be nice.

But he can throw the mitts around like no one else!

 

[FMichael]

No offense but I would of trade him at least year ago when he had more value. Guy is soft as they come. Just hope they get some value in him still so they can just move on. I would Nylander is now top line RW and if we get something back from Marner that we can use then do it.

Yzerman will trade for Mitch at the draft...Then sign Bert...Having been in the Motor City for several seasons - Bert will show Mitch the 'finer side' of Detroit...Hang out with Eminem, shoot a gat, learn the nutritional value of a Coney Island...

 

[authentic]

Leaf fans, I know it has been a frustrating life thus far but I think you guys take game 5.....and from there anything can happen....

Fixed

 

[danpantz]

 

[Barnum]

No offense but I would of trade him at least year ago when he had more value. Guy is soft as they come. Just hope they get some value in him still so they can just move on. I would guess Nylander is now top line RW going forward and if we get something back from Marner that we can use then do it. Preferably moving him out west but as long as not in same division would be nice.

Marner has to agree to where he goes, right? I don’t think the Leafs have much choice in the matter unless Marner wants to go somewhere…of his own choosing. It’s a 10.9 mill cap hit too. Good luck trading that guy.