ECQF: (1) Washington Capitals vs. (WC1) Columbus Blue Jackets | Caps Lead Series 3-2

Who ya got?! Caps or CBJ?

  • WSH (sweep)

    Votes: 20 2.7%
  • CBJ (sweep)

    Votes: 6 0.8%
  • WSH (in 5)

    Votes: 96 13.0%
  • CBJ (in 5)

    Votes: 16 2.2%
  • WSH (in 6)

    Votes: 232 31.4%
  • CBJ (in 6)

    Votes: 129 17.5%
  • WSH (in 7)

    Votes: 114 15.4%
  • CBJ (in 7)

    Votes: 125 16.9%

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TheGoldenJet

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If you insist. Facts remain that Orpik has provided what MacLellan signed him to do successfully.

I do.

Good news for the Caps is that when Holtby is on, it doesn’t matter, and that they have a legitimate 1D in Carlsson carrying the ‘top’ pairing and one of the better second pairings in the league with Orlov-Niskanen.

Also the fact that their top 4 is solid means Orpik can be buried on the third pairing where he belongs (which is what’s happened).
 

txpd

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I do.

Good news for the Caps is that when Holtby is on, it doesn’t matter, and that they have a legitimate 1D in Carlsson carrying the ‘top’ pairing and one of the better second pairings in the league with Orlov-Niskanen.

Also the fact that their top 4 is solid means Orpik can be buried on the third pairing where he belongs (which is what’s happened).

The distain just oozes. Nice. Orpik is old and slow. At this point in his contract he should be on the 3rd pair. I don't see what the beef is. If he is forced to play second pair minutes that's not his fault. As a 3rd pair defenseman and pk specialist and designated hitter he does his job. He provides leadership. He wears an A on his sweater for a reason. He wore one on his Pens sweater as well for the same reasons.

The Caps are a whole lot better off with that player on the ice than Djoos and Jerabek together. That's for damn sure
 

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In any case, starting Grubauer was necessary, he had to be given a chance. Did you know that this is the first game Holtby has allowed less than two goals since Nov 18?

Luongo flops most of the time, and he got the start in Game 1 and 2. Holtby should've been given the chance in Games 1 and 2, before Grubauer was inserted.
 

Alexander the Gr8

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Luongo flops most of the time, and he got the start in Game 1 and 2. Holtby should've been given the chance in Games 1 and 2, before Grubauer was inserted.

Sure, whatever, can't go back in time. I'm just glad the series is tied and is up for grabs. After game 2, it was advantage Columbus, but now after game 4, it's advantage Washington.
 

Skrudland2Lomakin

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Hindsight is 20/20. The vast majority of Caps fans felt Grubi was the correct choice and still do, you play the hot hand. If you're just tuning in and the last time you paid attention to the Caps was last May I can understand why you might think Holtby is the obvious choice, the rest of us watched the regular season though.
 

Sam Spade

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I do.

Good news for the Caps is that when Holtby is on, it doesn’t matter, and that they have a legitimate 1D in Carlsson carrying the ‘top’ pairing and one of the better second pairings in the league with Orlov-Niskanen.

This is 100% not correct. John Carlson piles up points and that is important but he is nowhere near a true Doughty/Hedman level of defender. He has looked really bad this series on some of the CBus goals. He is definitely a second tier guy like Klingberg and Letang.

And while I can't follow all the matchups while I'm watching the game, I don't think Carlson is on the "top pair", as in the shut down guys, I'm pretty sure that is Niskanen/Orlov.
 

Jbwest31

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I still think starting Grub was the right move. Instead of just throwing Holtby in there when his confidence is down and the pressure is sky high, let him come in in relief and make him fee like he earned his spot back. It’s a shame Grubby imploded the way he did, but this might be just the spark and motivation that Holtby needed.
 

Duke33

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Impressive win last night for Washington, I wonder if Holtby will still stay effective the rest of the way, if so, Washington maybe takes the rest of the games. Columbus still looked tired last night too.

Of course its the Caps, so who knows :)
 

Grudy0

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Washington could've sweeped its opponent, had Grubauer not been in net for the first two games.
In any case, starting Grubauer was necessary, he had to be given a chance. Did you know that this is the first game Holtby has allowed less than two goals since Nov 18?
People keep missing this fact. Holtby was a leaky sieve for most of the season. Grubauer's play the last month of the season is what won the Caps the division. I don't know if anyone wants to blame the players in front of him, but...
Hindsight is 20/20. The vast majority of Caps fans felt Grubi was the correct choice and still do, you play the hot hand. If you're just tuning in and the last time you paid attention to the Caps was last May I can understand why you might think Holtby is the obvious choice, the rest of us watched the regular season though.
And I'll state for the record that it wasn't Grubauer's goaltending that was the problem with losses in games 1 and 2 - go back and look at the goals. I was in the stands practically throwing a fit watching the "vaunted defense" give up dangerous odd-man rushes down the ice. Case in point: Game 2 goals against Grubauer:

Goal 1 was a breakaway by Atkinson after getting behind four different Caps in the neutral zone on a stretch pass from Foligno.
Goal 2 was basically a five-on-two with Anderson scoring from the circle.
Goal 3 was a power play goal as Panarin fed a saucer laterally across the ice to a wide-open Atkinson at the right faceoff circle.
Goal 4 was also a power play goal shot from center-point and deflected in front, mid-slot by Caps' Stephenson with two Jackets players screening.

The defensive lapses (as well as a good BlueJackets powerplay unit and Panarin's play) are what ails the Caps. The Caps reduced those lapses a little in game 3, and a lot more in game 4.
 

Bladerunner

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Hindsight is 20/20. The vast majority of Caps fans felt Grubi was the correct choice and still do, you play the hot hand.
It is. I'd guesstimate it was 75:25 to start Grubi among Caps fans, and don't mind saying I was in the majority.

If you're just tuning in and the last time you paid attention to the Caps was last May I can understand why you might think Holtby is the obvious choice, the rest of us watched the regular season though.
It's understandable that some of the non Caps first posters that are pulling for the Caps don't realize this. However we do.

Thrilled to see the emergence of the "old" Holtby ! :D
 

txpd

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Washington could've sweeped its opponent, had Grubauer not been in net for the first two games.

This is false. Holtby needed to watch those games. He needed for his team to need him. The difference in the quality of his play the last two games and what he had done most of the regular season is night and day. If regular season Holtby was playing, the Caps would have lost in 4
 

txpd

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And I'll state for the record that it wasn't Grubauer's goaltending that was the problem with losses in games 1 and 2.

The difference between winning and losing two overtime games is 1 save each game. Winning goalies find a way to make the timely save. You cant blame a goaltender for giving up a breakaway goal but a save can change the outcome of the game. Holtby has made those saves that past two games. He has stopped goals that had every right to go in from getting in.
 

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This is false. Holtby needed to watch those games. He needed for his team to need him. The difference in the quality of his play the last two games and what he had done most of the regular season is night and day. If regular season Holtby was playing, the Caps would have lost in 4

You never know.
 
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txpd

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You never know.

What happened was what happened. It happened was effected by what preceded it. I don't buy into the what if scenarios. From where I stand, I think its possible that the team overall may benefit from losing those first two games and from Holtby watching them. They seem more focused than usual now
 
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