Dustin Byfuglien - Part III

[Whileee]

I said it was from the comment section. It's most definitely not from Garret.

I think you're right. The formatting / sequencing made it hard to sort out which comment was from which commenter (at least on my device). I think Garret's view remains that there's too much noise to attribute on ice save percentage to individual players. That's true if you are relying on correlative analysis year to year because there is a lot of randomness, little variability, and not much in the way of analysis of potential confounders.

 

[SensibleGuy]

The Freep has a story up about it and Maurice addressed it. Nothing to see here. It was a team day off.

Big Buff catches big fish while nursing small injury

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/s...ish-while-nursing-small-injury-450503933.html

Yup, nuthin to see here. But everybody’s talking about it now. Thanks Buff.

 

[Howard Chuck]

The Freep has a story up about it and Maurice addressed it. Nothing to see here. It was a team day off.

Big Buff catches big fish while nursing small injury

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/s...ish-while-nursing-small-injury-450503933.html

Thanks, I heard this on the radio last night too.

Sorry, to anyone who disagrees, but if you are not well enough to fulfil your contract worth millions per year, you shouldn't be doing anything that isn't making that injury better.

Lower body. Has anyone walked in a river with hip waders, unsure of what is on the bottom?

I still think there is more here, even if it's a very very minor injury and they are mutually giving Poolman an opportunity.

 

[10Ducky10]

I have but they caught that fish from a boat.

 

[sipowicz]

But, he is with Hendricks, an acknowledged locker room leader. This was posted to inspire the troops. Do you think there is a man on the Jets now who doesn't see two wounded warriors risking life and limb to land a several hundred pound behemoth and isn't inspired to give it their all on the ice?!!! This is the Buff we have been waiting to see.

AHL level player and press box specialist Hendricks a locker room leader? Wow! Maybe the Jets could have kept Thorburn who was at least good at a few things.

So reading the Freep this morning the article alludes to a possibility from the twitterverse that Buff may not be injured and just a healthy scratch to send him a message x2 now.

Is a brain injury called a soft tissue injury in Buff's case?

 

[pucka lucka]

I posted a table from one of your "professionals public work" to illustrate that some have generated evidence to suggest that individual players have differential impact on the quality of shots against. I thought it was pretty simple.

I review and edit scientific journal articles and it's not customary to "show your work" when you are critiquing research methods. My critique is with the methodology that led to the conclusion. Correlating season-to-season relative on-ice save percentage and using a low correlation coefficient as the evidence that an individual has no role in save percentage assumes that there is no adaptation in the system (along with all sorts of other potential logical fallacies). For example, if a defenseman is consistently giving up high scoring chances, coaches are likely to do one or more of the following: 1) reduce quality of competition; 2) increase quality of teammates; 3) intervene with coaching, etc. Any of these could reduce the quality of shots against.

But perhaps you'd like to hear from a resident professional (Garret) https://hockey-graphs.com/2014/07/0...-no-sustainable-control-over-save-percentage/:

Why haven't you corrected this? That quote is from David Johnson not Garret.

 

[Whileee]

Why haven't you corrected this? That quote is from David Johnson not Garret.

Corrected. Needed to revisit to the site and verify who made the comment.

It was David Johnson, who now works for the Calgary Flames in their analytics department.

 

[nobody important]

What a player does on his NHLPA mandated day off is none of anyone's business.

I don't want to get off on a rant here, but...
I think it should very much be the team's business if a player participates in activities that carry a high risk of aggravating an existing injury or introducing a new one. Now, I don't know enough about sturgeon fishing to say if it is a high risk activity, but giving a player carte blanche to do anything they want? Can't agree with that. If the NHLPA has conferred that right, it needs to be clawed back. Teams should have the right to restrict players from participating in certain off ice activities at all times, including off season.

For all the love that has gone Teemu's way, participating in car racing showed a reckless disregard for life and limb. When things go bad, and they do, crippling injuries or death are a likely outcome. How would you feel if our budding superstar winger took up car racing? Or if Laine did?

/rant

 

[pucka lucka]

Corrected. Needed to revisit to the site and verify who made the comment.

It was David Johnson, who now works for the Calgary Flames in their analytics department.

David Johnson. Are you sure that hitching your wagon to him is a good idea? You won't find a lot of support for his ideas in the analytics community. I believe he was hired for his programming, data skills, not his hot analytics takes.

 

[SensibleGuy]

...and of course since nobody is actually claiming Buff can't go fishing on his mandated day off that's really a bit of a strawman anyway. The only issue here really is that him allowing a picture to be posted of himself out reeling in a whale while he's missing games due to a "LBI" when there's a bit of a whisper going round that he may really be more of a healthy scratch sort of puts his coach in a bit of a spot...

 

[Board Bard]

...and of course since nobody is actually claiming Buff can't go fishing on his mandated day off that's really a bit of a strawman anyway. The only issue here really is that him allowing a picture to be posted of himself out reeling in a whale while he's missing games due to a "LBI" when there's a bit of a whisper going round that he may really be more of a healthy scratch sort of puts his coach in a bit of a spot...

Maurice has been in worse spots, like every time he fills out a lineup card; he just doesn't realize it.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Maurice has been in worse spots, like every time he fills out a lineup card; he just doesn't realize it.

Yeah, for me its really more of a "why Buff?" kinda thing. I mean surely he's capable of realizing that the optics of that pic might not be great, so why let it out? Go fish and just say "uh sorry no pics please."

 

[pucka lucka]

...and of course since nobody is actually claiming Buff can't go fishing on his mandated day off that's really a bit of a strawman anyway. The only issue here really is that him allowing a picture to be posted of himself out reeling in a whale while he's missing games due to a "LBI" when there's a bit of a whisper going round that he may really be more of a healthy scratch sort of puts his coach in a bit of a spot...

Imagine you have a bruised calf that hurts like crazy when you skate. Now imagine this. It doesn't really bother your fishing. Imagine it's really only a pain issue and if it hurts while fishing and you have to stop, you aren't hurting your hockey team. Imagine that this speculation is extremely odd and completely detached from reality.

 

[SensibleGuy]

yeah, and then imagine if the actual injury isn't the issue. lol Did you read my post? I don't care if he's actually injured or not. I don't care if he's fishing while he's injured. All I'm saying is maybe he could have tried to make sure no pictures went out - since that's the only reason anyone is even discussing this.

 

[Daximus]

I'm willing to bet Buff will be out for awhile. He has seemed rather soft for quite some time now, not throwing his weight around like usual and if it is indeed a soft tissue injury it could have really been effecting his play for some time. Who knows how long but now that we finally have a player who can competently replace him in the lineup (so far) in Poolman maybe he has decided it's time to rest and heal up.

I think people are reading way to much into this fishing stuff. His soft tissue injury may only affect him during physically demanding times. Going fishing is not one of these times. I don't care how strenuous it is to you mentally because you suck at fishing, it is not a strenuous activity and may actually be better for his healing.

 

[Bob E]

Is there a risk of injury fishing these large fish? If there is, I would think the team would frown upon that type of activity during the season. Like skiing or snowboarding.

If you can’t really hurt yourself further, then it’s not a big issue. At least not to me.

 

[Daximus]

Is there a risk of injury fishing these large fish? If there is, I would think the team would frown upon that type of activity during the season. Like skiing or snowboarding.

If you can’t really hurt yourself further, then it’s not a big issue. At least not to me.

Probably no more a risk of injury then walking to the store for a pic-a-pop.

 

[Jimmyjets]

I just don't understand why people jump to this conclusion that Buff is benched when the most likely scenario is that Buff tweaked a groin or something. We have so much depth on RHD right now that it was the perfect opportunity to 1) Rest Buff up so the injury doesn't nag him all year and 2) give Poolman a look in a real game to see if he still looks solid. If the team needed Buff I'm sure he would have played, but they don't want Poolman sitting in the pressbox all year so likely when Hendricks returns, Poolman goes down to the A.

The team played great and won. Poolman looked good. Pomo decides not to change anything so Buff gets some more rest. If the Jets win again, I'd be inclined to run out the same lineup until they lose or someone else gets nicked up. If that's 10 games so be it. This year is all about winning. What better way to show the team that if you win you stay in the lineup then by setting that example early with Buff.

P.S. they probably had that fishing excursion booked since the schedule was released and they realized they'd have an off day in Vancouver.

I'm just going to say, if you can't even handle going fishing there is no way that you could handle playing an NHL game. If Buff reinjured himself wadding into knee deep water he wouldn't have made it a full period in a game.

 

[Whileee]

David Johnson. Are you sure that hitching your wagon to him is a good idea? You won't find a lot of support for his ideas in the analytics community. I believe he was hired for his programming, data skills, not his hot analytics takes.

I'm not "hitching my wagon" to anyone.

How is argumentum ad hominem an improvement here, anyway?

I said I was inclined to favour the hypotheses that skaters can affect the quality of shots against, and the quality of shots against affects save percentage. I'm not sure if you really disagree with those hypotheses, or whether you'd rather just make pedantic jabs about the "scientific process". In any case, there are clearly some "professionals" in the analytics community that wouldn't disagree with those hypotheses.

The issue as to whether on-ice save percentage can be a useful way of measuring a skater's defensive performance is a somewhat different issue. Some make the point that because there is little year-to-year correlation in the metric, it isn't a parameter that is influenced by individual players. My point is that the methodology for coming to that conclusion is limited in scope (which is what David Johnson claims), and that with the inclusion of more variables and more sophisticated analytical approaches it is possible that patterns of association might be found. I don't think that's overly controversial or objectionable.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Much ado about nothing.
I’m a big Buff fan but I am curious how we play without him again.
I couldn’t care less about his stat lines.
He is very entertaining and more on than off .

 

[R3DDRAG0N]

I'm willing to bet Buff will be out for awhile. He has seemed rather soft for quite some time now, not throwing his weight around like usual and if it is indeed a soft tissue injury it could have really been effecting his play for some time. Who knows how long but now that we finally have a player who can competently replace him in the lineup (so far) in Poolman maybe he has decided it's time to rest and heal up.

I think people are reading way to much into this fishing stuff. His soft tissue injury may only affect him during physically demanding times. Going fishing is not one of these times. I don't care how strenuous it is to you mentally because you suck at fishing, it is not a strenuous activity and may actually be better for his healing.

He's been "off" since he signed his contract......bottom line Buff is coasting the rest of the way.....name a game where the old Buff showed up? We are now with defensive liability Buff who actually hurts the team rather than helps it......I mean jesus even the announcers are calling the guy out for his laziness and lack of effort....bench him until we lose....enough of the coddling already...time to change the culture and send a message......

 

[garret9]

 

[Whileee]

Glorified plus/minus, really. Descriptive not predictive...

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

I think that it is great that he planned to go fishing on his day off. Injured or not. By the way, fishing is #60 out of 60 in terms of ranking toughest sports in the world, so I think it was a safe choice. Source:

http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

 

[Eyeseeing]

Probably no more a risk of injury then walking to the store for a pic-a-pop.

I’m guessing that’s a very long walk.
Is that still available ?
Maybe in Transcona or Rennie ?