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Confirmed with Link: Duchene to OTT in three-team trade

Discussion in 'Ottawa Senators' started by RedWhiteBrown, Nov 5, 2017.

  1. BonkTastic

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    We made the playoffs without him (and without Spezza) in 2013 after the Cooke incident.

    I mean, is it likely that we miss the playoffs next year? Maybe. But it's far from a guarantee. That's why we play the games.
     
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  2. Lana Del Rey

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    I remember that. We were extremely lucky that it was the short season, that team wouldn't have made it over a full season and Sergei Gonchar had stepped up BIG.

    I agree anything can happen. But this team isn't a good roster in it's current state.

    Not to mention the locker room and management discord.

    If EK leaves, I think there's an 80 percent chance we finish in the bottom 10 next year.
     
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  3. BondraTime

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    Draft Dahlin/Svechnikov
    Sign Karlsson
    Sign Stone
    Trade Hoffman for a top 4 D (Matheson/Hanfin/Pesce/Edmunson)
    Sign Kovalchuk
    Trade Smith for draft pick

    Not happening I know, but would make me very, very, very happy.
     
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  4. The Lewler

    The Lewler GOAT BUDGET AINEC

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    Get the hell out of here with the Kovalchuk nonsense.
     
  5. BondraTime

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    Yeah, who would want a top 6 player without giving up assets! Plus a 35+ contract
     
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    I love everything about it but yeah like you said the Kovy part seems unlikely. But if we keep Hoffman and manage to sign someone like DeHaan I'll be happy.
     
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    What does that tell the players, the team and the fans? That the GM thinks we're going to be a bottom 5 team next year? Ouch. We have too much talent to finish bottom 5 next year, and if we actually do this, the players will have an extra chip on their shoulder. I think we draft this year no matter that.
     
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    In 2018:

    Duchene: 31pts(32gp)
    Turris: 12pts(29gp)

    Duchene is already wearing an 'A' with Stone out.
    Turris is on one of the best teams while Duchene is on one of the worst.
    Turris is turning 29 this summer, and is going to get paid $6M until he's 35.
    OUCH!

    I ****ing called it. I love Turris, but that contract was bad, it's going to look Bobby Ryan levels bad in a few years. His speed is just barely good enough to be an effective player. Any drop in that speed, and he's going to be completely ineffective with that small frame.
     
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    I wanna see that Hoffman - Duchene - Dzingel line for a whole other season. Let's bring in a 2nd line C to play with Stone and Ryan, keep Karlsson, and sign one top 4 D, and we may be just fine next year.
     
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  10. Upgrayedd

    Upgrayedd Earn'em and Burn'em

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    To recap, this years production has now been dis-regarded between Duchene and Turris, the group has moved onto the "2019 top 5 pick" and Shane Bowers as the jumping off points.
     
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    I have to say, I had no idea that Duchene was this good a player. His skill level is impressive.
     
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    Hoffman - Duchene - Dzingle is worth the price of admission.

    Love the way that playing with Duchene seems to have really energized Hoffman.
     
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    He has so much more jump and dedication on the puck battles, he is a beast. Love this guy. I hope the situation here is good enough for him to want to stay here
     
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    The deal was an overpayment, but as I have said, overpaying for an asset like a #1 center or top 2 D is acceptable. Almost impossible to find an asset like that for free (at the draft or in FA).

    Just need to get him locked up long-term at a an acceptable cap hit and term. Hopefully under 8M and under 7YRs.
     
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    Who on earth is disregarding Duchenes production?
     
  16. Do Make Say Think

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    He's going to tell Dorion he wants a deal this summer. This where people who say "don't sign him until we see how he does when we are in the playoff race" are going to hit a wall: the player won't want to wait and could say "sign me now or we don't negotiate during the season" and what do we do then? Let him play without a contract for 2019-2020?

    We'd be fools not to sign him as long as he isn't asking for 10 per.
     
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    A DHD line? The ADHD line! You can't focus on either one of them!
     
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    It's not an overpayment if you pay an acceptable price for something you want. The very definition of an overpayment would be to pay MORE than the asset is worth, and Duchene is definitely worth three good assets, none of whom are likely to ever be as good as he is.
     
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    People care more about potential than anything.

    It's why so many idiots on the main boards value cap space.
     
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    I really do like Duchene, but the team is going to have to be merciless in negotiations. He's surpassed 60 points twice in his career, and the last time was 5 years ago.

    As well as he's playing now, and as much effort as we can see on his behalf, we can't ignore that massive cold streak after the trade. If we give him a ridiculous deal we may find ourselves in another Bobby Ryan situation. Most likely nowhere as severe, but these albatross contracts simply cannot happen for a team like this. Team is going to have to everything they can to shave his number down.
     
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    He’ll definitely want to leave if Karlsson is going, don’t think there will be any chance he stays.

    We have one of the oldest teams in the NHL and our star is going to get traded. Full rebuild is the only option.
     
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    rofl, we don't have the oldest team, not even close. The only players we have over 30 are Pyatt(31), Gaborik(36), Burrows(36) and Anderson(36).

    Gaborik and Burrows are probably gone after the season anyways.
     
  23. FlapJackKing

    FlapJackKing Ottawa Senators

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    It's on the main board....venture over at your own risk...
     
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    NHL Team Salaries, Team Salary Caps - NHL Numbers

    Eighth oldest team in the NHL. Yeah, we’re not the young guns anymore.
     
  25. BondraTime

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    We had the 2nd oldest team as of Jan 1st

    Since then, we have gotten rid of Phaneuf and Thompson, and added Gaborik and O'Brien in their places. I believe we are still tone of the oldest/

    It's within a year or so in the bottom half of the league, so it really doesn't make much difference.

    We should be younger next season.
     

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