Draft, Muckler says BOG favour 30 balls in a bin

[spokedB44]

Crosby in Ottawa? He might as well stay in the Q. He will have more exposure there.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

tampa is a case in point. Who says that Columbus or Atlanta couldn't have won the cup last year? Tampa did it...
One 2004 first rounder is plenty for doing lousy in the previous year. A second first rounder for sucking is ridiculous. Sens top 2 lines
Havlat - Crosby - Hossa
Alfie - Spezza - Neil

Obviously you have an agenda and point of view: pro-big market teams getting an equal shot at an unweighted lottery.

However, the only linked information that I have seen thus far is what I have posted. Again, that was not a single off the cuff post but had been repeated well over 100 times (do a google search and look back 3 or 4 days and see). It was restated with slight variations (further from this Muckler quote) yesterday. Until I see something different I will tend to think that is the more credible source.

 

[HockeyCritter]

Oh god, so if one of the big market places like Chicago, NY, Toronto etc get Crosby are you going to run on here and yell it was a big conspiracy?

It wouldn't be the first time a lottery was fixed now would it?

 

[Mess]

Obviously you have an agenda and point of view: pro-small market teams getting an unequal shot at an weighted lottery..

I took the liberty to correct you sentence so we know where you are coming from.

Caution : Two way street ahead .. Look both directions before crossing ..

Seems like even in this thread you are badly out numbered .. I guess that is what it was like in the GM meeting itself no less .. or at least a pretty good re-enactment of the events described as "heated discussion" ..

 

[OilKiller]

Forget all this talk guys. The NHL should just give the first pick to my Flames because they lost the Cup to TB. Seems fair to me...

 

[FLYLine27*]

Don't we live in a Democracy ..??

Isn't Gary Bettman employed by the NHL owners ???...

If 20 of the 30 NHL team Owners voted for a equal 1-30 chance for all, why would or should Bettman do it any other way, again focussing on the fact that he works for them .... NO ????

Even if the 16 playoff teams voted yes and the 14 non-playoff voted no, you still would have a majority vote in favour.

Its funny...the league isnt a democracy..that was VERY obvious when the poor 6 teams were calling the shots during the CBA wars in Dec-Feb.

 

[HockeyCritter]

tampa is a case in point. Who says that Columbus or Atlanta couldn't have won the cup last year? Tampa did it...
One 2004 first rounder is plenty for doing lousy in the previous year. A second first rounder for sucking is ridiculous. Sens top 2 lines
Havlat - Crosby - Hossa
Alfie - Spezza - Neil

How do you suppose Tampa became good? The were so bad for so long that they were able to acquire high draft picks which they parlayed into players and assets to form a winning team. Ottawa did it, Detroit did it, Jersey did it . . . . . . to say a team "deserves" only one high end draft pick is a bit silly - - - comparing Tampa to Columbus at this point as a bit silly - - - once Columbus and Atlanta have been around for over ten years, then we can see how well they drafted and if they made smart hockey moves (and thus far both seem to be doing good jobs building a solid strong core)

 

[Charge_Seven]

Sorry, as much as the pundits want to call this "unusual", we should be doing the draft as if it were a usual year.

Deal.

We will do the draft as though it's a usual year, and since Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Detroit, Colorado, Dallas, Tampa Bay, Phoenix, Columbus, Atlanta, Anaheim, San Jose, Florida, Minnesota, St. Louis, Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, Carolina, New Jersey, New York (x 2), LA, Nashville, and Washington all miraculously tied each other with a 0-0-0-0 record we'll give everyone the same shot at Crosby.

I'm glad someone finally brought some logic into this mess.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I took the liberty to correct you sentence so we know where you are coming from.

Caution : Two way street ahead .. Look both directions before crossing ..

Seems like even in this thread you are badly out numbered .. I guess that is what it was like in the GM meeting itself no less .. or at least a pretty good re-enactment of the events described as "heated discussion" ..

Then why can no one provide me with a single link, credible or not, that says what Muckler supposedly said? Every link out there says the opposite. Hell, every little rumor has been leaked to hell and back since this started and found itself in papers and in writings of columnists. Why not this one if it is the gospel?

I freely admit that some of these rumors pan out some are total bullcrap. In the end they may go 30 balls no weighting, I will not know for sure until they start pulling balls out. But absent a link to this one, and the myriad of links of leaks that have said the oposite, and very definitively so, forgive me for feeling pretty comfortable about the chances of this not happening.

ps: I heard on the radio that they were dispersing the pick of prospects from Colorado, Toronto, Detroit and Philly to the bottom teams in the standings 2003-4 to make up for their outspending evryone the past couple of decades. Honest. On FAN BS100. Hold on while I create another name to confirm that they heard it too.

 

[HockeyCritter]

Its funny...the league isnt a democracy..that was VERY obvious when the poor 6 teams were calling the shots during the CBA wars in Dec-Feb.

Six, only six teams? Wow they hold way more power than I originally thought. <<giggle>>

It would be a safe bet that there were at least 24 teams who wanted to draw a hard line in the stand - - don’t forget, these are NOT the same owners at those that rolled over in 94.

EDIT: Because sometimes my fingers type faster than my brain can think.

 

[wazee]

Yup. I fully expect that this Muckler crap is simply some folks with poor comprehension skills. I'll bet Muckler said something like "All teams will have a chance for the first overall pick", and some folks with wishful thinking heard that as "all teams will have *equal* chance for the first pick".

I think I will wait to see this one in print before I waste time making up my mind about how I feel about it. Not only is there a chance that the listener didn’t pick up the whole statement, but, back when he was behind the Ranger bench, disgruntled Ranger fans used to claim Muckler was senile and he is not getting any younger.

 

[X0ssbar]

tampa is a case in point. Who says that Columbus or Atlanta couldn't have won the cup last year? Tampa did it...
One 2004 first rounder is plenty for doing lousy in the previous year. A second first rounder for sucking is ridiculous. Sens top 2 lines
Havlat - Crosby - Hossa
Alfie - Spezza - Neil

Oh yeah - did you have Columbus winning the cup in your early season projections? What about next year?

You want to argue your case for a shot at Crosby that's fine but enough with the Columbus could have won the cup talk.

Personally, I'll take one year in the playoffs any day over a top 5 pick.

 

[HockeyCritter]

Sorry, as much as the pundits want to call this "unusual", we should be doing the draft as if it were a usual year.

Agreed - - and I still contend the best solution is to NOT have a draft until the league can determine draft order based on seasonal rankings** . . . . . . the {insert newest nickname} will have to wait six months or so before he can make his arrival.

**There's nothing that says a draft has to be held this summer - - wait until February and base the draft order on standings after 41-games.

 

[ti-vite]

Forget all this talk guys. The NHL should just give the first pick to my Flames because they lost the Cup to TB. Seems fair to me...

Let the poor boy play where he wants.

 

[Charge_Seven]

Oh yeah - did you have Columbus winning the cup in your early season projections? What about next year?

You want to argue your case for a shot at Crosby that's fine but enough with the Columbus could have won the cup talk.

Personally, I'll take one year in the playoffs any day over a top 5 pick.

To be perfectly honest, Columbus probably would have been a playoff team this season (04-05) had there of been one. Nash and Zherdev are a fantastic duo, the defence in Columbus was not so attrocious it couldn't be saved, you've got a good goalie, and there is a ton of free agents to be had. I'd have bet on Columbus to breach the playoffs in the 04-05 season, probably have an early exit, but they'd make it. Win the Cup? No, I would have to say that won't happen, but playoffs were definitely a possiblity for a team of Columbus' talent level.

 

[Timmy]

Let the poor boy play where he wants.

"...Hey Syd, this Eric. Look, I got you on speaker with my mom..."

 

[Lanny MacDonald*]

Well, if the BOG wants to run a rotisarrie league style selection process, more power to them. If they want to pick the order out of a hat more power to them. Hell, I would love it if either of the teams that were in the last Stanley Cup were awarded the first pick and Sydney Crosby lined up for either side. That would be okay from my strictly selfish position!

But if we're trying to make the NHL more competitive and practice the tenants of fair play, this is a terrible idea. I think the league will look extremely micky mouse, especially if one of the big spenders is awarded the pick. It will have the traces of impropriety all over the process and make the league look its worst when it should be at its best and trying to gain back lost credability. Time will tell, but I think this methodology is flawed and will come back to haunt the league.

 

[X0ssbar]

To be perfectly honest, Columbus probably would have been a playoff team this season (04-05) had there of been one. Nash and Zherdev are a fantastic duo, the defence in Columbus was not so attrocious it couldn't be saved, you've got a good goalie, and there is a ton of free agents to be had. I'd have bet on Columbus to breach the playoffs in the 04-05 season, probably have an early exit, but they'd make it. Win the Cup? No, I would have to say that won't happen, but playoffs were definitely a possiblity for a team of Columbus' talent level.

I wish I shared your optimism b/c like I said, if they made the playoffs I would be more than willing to give up a top 5 pick.

But with our 'D', a team could score on us with a beach ball.

 

[HSHS]

Don't we live in a Democracy ..??

Isn't Gary Bettman employed by the NHL owners ???...

If 20 of the 30 NHL team Owners voted for a equal 1-30 chance for all, why would or should Bettman do it any other way, again focussing on the fact that he works for them .... NO ????

Even if the 16 playoff teams voted yes and the 14 non-playoff voted no, you still would have a majority vote in favour.

Not sure about you, but 24 NHL teams operate in a republic, not a democracy. Under that system, the owners vote for their representative (Bettman), who in turn votes on behalf of the voters themselves.

Checks and balances were instituted to prevent this kind of "mob" majority rule.

Please realize I am just joking and not at all trying to make a serious point.

 

[OilKiller]

Let the poor boy play where he wants.

Who says he wouldn't want to play in Calgary with Iggy?

 

[Epsilon]

ps: I heard on the radio that they were dispersing the pick of prospects from Colorado, Toronto, Detroit and Philly to the bottom teams in the standings 2003-4 to make up for their outspending evryone the past couple of decades. Honest. On FAN BS100. Hold on while I create another name to confirm that they heard it too.

Now you're simply taking this issue way too personally. Stop being such a whiny little baby.

 

[HockeyCritter]

Well, if the BOG wants to run a rotisarrie league style selection process, more power to them. If they want to pick the order out of a hat more power to them. Hell, I would love it if either of the teams that were in the last Stanley Cup were awarded the first pick and Sydney Crosby lined up for either side. That would be okay from my strictly selfish position!

But if we're trying to make the NHL more competitive and practice the tenants of fair play, this is a terrible idea. I think the league will look extremely micky mouse, especially if one of the big spenders is awarded the pick. It will have the traces of impropriety all over the process and make the league look its worst when it should be at its best and trying to gain back lost credability. Time will tell, but I think this methodology is flawed and will come back to haunt the league.

This is exactly my concerns . . . . whether or not the lottery is contrived in such a way as to favor certain markets the mere appearance of doing so will put the NHL in very poor light - - - something that I think even mainstream sports media will be all too happy to share with the sports public.

 

[Epsilon]

Not sure about you, but 24 NHL teams operate in a republic, not a democracy. Under that system, the owners vote for their representative (Bettman), who in turn votes on behalf of the voters themselves.

Checks and balances were instituted to prevent this kind of "mob" majority rule.

Please realize I am just joking and not at all trying to make a serious point.

Does this mean when the NLRB rules against an NHL impasse, Bettman and Jacobs will call them "activist judges"?

 

[Ol' Dirty Chinaman*]

Sadly, I'm pretty sure right now there's 25 or so GMs (and owners too) that will push for an equal chance lottery, with all the fans of those teams coming up with lame excuses (my team could have been worse this year, the cap takes away our rightful advantage, a plane could crash on the AC Center, etc.) to agree with them. Only the likely bottom teams will feel outraged by this and even though I'm not a fan of a bottom team, I sure understand their pain.

The draft was at first a mean to create a cycle in hockey and help the teams in difficulty, so they can "re-do" themselves through the draft. If you take away this only purpose just because Crosby is making everybody lose their marbles, might as well call it a night on the entry draft system altogether and declare 18yo free agents up for grab to anyone.

No matter the stupid excuse you come up with, there is not one single legit reason for this draft not to be at least weighted in the bottom teams' favor. But unity is likely already over among owners. Sharks will be sharks, and every owner will want Crosby on their team to kick start the new era, no matter what logic says about it, so be sure an equal chance lottery is a likely scenario April 20th.

IT'S JUST ONE FREAKING DRAFT YEAR

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Now you're simply taking this issue way too personally. Stop being such a whiny little baby.

I use analogies to make my point. The point everyone seems to be reluctant to address by the way. Slight amounts of sarcasm at times too. Whining? Please.