Draft and UDFA Thread 2017-18

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  1. Edge

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    I think if Ranger fans saw him consistently, and can see the skill to go with the energy, and see how he performs in situations where he is a primary offensive driver (and not the responsible one in a combination with Hughes and Wahlstrom), they would love him very quickly.

    Having said that, I really think there is a cluster of guys — with many of the names we’ve discussed — that is very close.

    On a different note, NHL.com has some very solid interviews that probably give a more realistic view of how teams are looking at prospects and not how pundits and online observers do. The newest focuses on Bouchard vs. Dobson. But if you scroll down, you’ll see Hughes vs. Boqvist, and Denisenko vs. Kravtsov. Worth the reads:

    2018 NHL Draft: Bouchard vs. Dobson
     
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    Farabee might end up being a better player than whoever we pick (if it's not him), but I think we need to grab a player with real elite upside. I definitely think he has a higher floor than anyone outside the Top-3 though, which is why I wouldn't be angry with the pick per se.
     
  3. GregSirico

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    Farabee is Jaden Schwarz to me.

    I love Schwartz so that isn't a problem but if they pop him early, they've gotta take at least one massive swing later in the 1st.
     
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    For me, I think when you get to 9, I don’t know if there’s one guy who stands out as having what everyone would consider elite upside.

    I think there are a lot of guys who project as very good, possibly elite if all the pieces come together. But individual preferences aside, I don’t know if it’s as clear cut as some might lead one to believe.

    When you get past 2, there’s question marks with all of them. I’d say when you get past 5, there’s probably more optimism than reality in some of the hopes of finding elite — and understanding that a prospect could be a first line player, but still not quite truly elite.

    In terms of “elite” talent, it’s probably in a different grouping in which players have bigger question marks, but potentially more growth potential.

    That will be an interesting question for teams as they consider names like Kravtsov, Denisenko and others in comparison to your Farabees, Bouchards and Dobsons.
     
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    I thought Veleno Was the more sought after and more talented of the two???
    This draft should provide some serious drama after the second pick.
     
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    Guys with real elite upside are going 1 and 2.
     
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    Sorry, mixed up the draft spots of Arizona and Detroit.

    Wahlstrom to Arizona
    Hughes to Detroit
    Boqvist to Vancouver
     
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    I disagree. I think Wahlstrom, Hughes, and Boqvist all have huge upside. Farabee just has a much higher floor, IMO.

    Especially if there's an early run on centers, which it's sounding like there could be, I would be disappointed if they took Farabee. Not angry, just disappointed.

    I think those 3 guys I listed have the ability to completely break down the opposition with the puck on their stick. For all his other virtues, I don't think Farabee has that in him.

    The last Rangers draft pick that could change a game with the puck on their stick was Kovalev, and we're nearing 30 years since he was picked.
     
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    Only players ranked within reach at some places.

    9: Hayton, Lundeström, Kupari (i'm not worried, we're not taking a C)

    26/28: Groulx (lacks upside), Ginning (pylon)
     
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    Berggren is more skilled, but i agree the growth spurt lifts him into the 1st round.
     
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    I'd be okay with Farabee. He seems like such a Ranger pick. Go home-run in the later first
     
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    I would love that, provided we don't take Hayton. That would give us an absolute bounty to pick from at 9 and honestly, if 3 of our guys are available, we could always trade with the Isles to grab #11 + an extra 2nd rounder and STILL come away with a stud. If one of the top guys goes into a free fall, we may even be able to get more than that.

    I'm not suggesting we should. I'm just pointing it out as an option.
     
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    Farabee is a nice prospect, Lias, Chytil, Howden, Hajek are also nice prospects.

    However should they make the NHL and develop well, that group winning future playoff series against Ehlers, Connor, Laine, or Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, I am not sure about that.
     
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    We aren't looking at the entire picture though. Players are added outside of the draft. The Rangers have the #9 pick, not the #1 like Matthews or #2 Laine.

    They also have a couple of late 1st's and (2) 2nd's to add good players. Perhaps they do what they did last year? Add a very good high floor prospect like Farabee (Andersson) and then swing for a couple of guys later in the 1st ala Chytil?

    By the way, this is exactly what St Louis did in the Tarasenko draft. They took Schwartz first.
     
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    World Cup is kicking off today (as well as golf's U.S. Open). You should be able to survive until then...
     
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    The former was just taken out by an expansion team and the latter were taken out by an older, slower bruins team.

    Lets cross that bridge when we come to it.
     
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    But it is a good core.
    U can always get that difference maker via trade or UFA once all these guys are in their prime
    And who knows, one may end up elite
     
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    How do you think the Rangers will try to close the gap between what their prospect pool is generating versus what the other teams have and will generate?

    Rangers are not going to bottom out, so they are going to have to start signing expensive UFAs, and then maybe trading some of what they are current drafting or have for the next "star" player who wants out of wherever he is.

    We've seen how that works out, they end up back where they are trying to figure out how a team that had character and expensive vet leadership could be eventually eliminated in the playoffs by teams who just plain had drafted higher tier talent.

    The only way around that is to take the highest ceiling players outside of those top picks, probably for a couple straight drafts and have some of them work out even if it is a more difficult or longer process to get some of them to work out.
     
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    Sometimes the challenge is to maintain some perspective concerning these things.

    People probably would've said the same things about Ehler, Connor, Nylander, Marner and Reilly. When a player hits their higher level, we tend to assume that they were always seen that way and that's very rarely the case.

    Likewise, when an higher-end talent makes it, we tend to ignore how many misses there were with very similar players.

    People viewed Ryan McDonagh a certain way, before he was "Ryan McDonagh."

    Derek Stepan was a much maligned second round pick at one time. Henrik Lundqvist was our second best goalie prospect. Etc.

    It's challenging to get to far into the future because there's so many variables.
     
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    I disagree and we are discussing taking someone like Wahlstrom or Kotkaniemi like they are 100% sure-fire elite talent (which I believe many would disagree with). Loading up on talent allows organizations to make moves when a player becomes available. Every year players become available via trade or UFA. Get the player who they feel will fit this system and produce.

    We are obviously speaking hypothetically but I don't think Farabee is that far off of #9. If we were talking someone like Miller I would agree but not seeing the huge gap between someone like Farabee and someone like Kotkaniemi.

    In saying all of that, I am not even saying I would choose Farabee over someone like Wahlstrom, just that I wouldn't be up in arms if they took him. I'd still be excited for this team to add a player like him.
     
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    Do you think Farabee has a higher potential ceiling than Wahlstrom or Kotkaniemi?

    The Rangers would be taking their favorite, a safer prospect they like rather than building something that eventually could maybe compete with those teams who are taking a Wahlstrom or Kotkaniemi over a Farabee.

    Sure the higher ceiling player could bust, so could the safer one but if both reach their potential the higher ceiling prospect is going to be way more valuable than the safer middle 6 forward. Rangers need more gamble if they are ever going to compete with the teams who were able to draft early and take both safe and super high ceiling.
     
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    We are assuming the percentages of each player reaching their 'potential' is the same. We are also assuming we all agree on said 'potential'.
     
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