Draft and UDFA Thread 2017-18

Discussion in 'New York Rangers' started by Pavel Buchnevich, Jun 25, 2017.

  1. jas

    jas Unsatisfied

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    Even with retainage?
     
  2. Ola

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    I think the others are very influenced by each other, CS is much more independent, for good and bad. I think the spread we see from them compared to the rest is more in line with the spread between NHL teams’ lists.

    BTW merge those lists and Kravtsov is right around our territory.

    Farabee is really low, are they asking themselves how much talent he really has?
     
  3. Alexei Kovalev 27

    Alexei Kovalev 27 Registered User

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    I've had dinner with him. He's 5'3. He wears elevator shoes off the ice, that's how short we're referring to.

    Sports 101, the listed height is bogus in many cases. I'm not going to waste any time with you.
     
  4. eco's bones

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    I think you're right--looking at Cap friendly--they could do it and if the cap went up to 80--it wouldn't be that hard. I don't think it will leave them a whole lot left over for other things but they've got a lot of young and cheap to go along with a bunch of old and expensive. Zucc would be an expensive add on and IMO a better course for them would be to try to get at least two--three vet bottom 6 forwards and maybe a d-man.
     
  5. SnowblindNYR

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    Maybe you're taller than you think.
     
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    Yikes, can I get some help here from anyone that has met MSL? 5-foot-4. No more than 5'5. The "listed" 5'8 figure is an absolute joke. Zucc has 2-3 inches on him, and Zucc is 5'6 on a good day. These are very small men. Nothing wrong with that, I just taking exception to being told I'm wrong when I know for fact otherwise.
     
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    Using height to argue against the value of players who have already demonstrated their value over lengthy careers is fascinating.

    As if their height truly means that much at that point...
     
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    I don't man, I'd be happy if someone said I was taller than I think.
     
  9. Edge

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    Kravtsov is a guy who I would be the least bit shocked to work his way into the top 10, or even as high as fifth to be honest.
     
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    I remember how a lot of us on here (around late late feb/early march) were talking about how exciting about grabbing Kravtsov with our Tampa pick now he's climbing the draft like no one I've ever seen before. Kaut is another one. I guess we should keep our mouth's shut lol. What happened to Denisenko??? Where is he gonna end up?
     
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    Were using a players height to judge a players value in 2018? This isn't 2010 anymore. Just look at guys like Sam Girad on Colorado
     
  12. Edge

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    Keep in mind that the ranking don't really mean much until we actually see how the draft unfolds. Kostin was ranked first among Europeans and ended up going 31st. For all the talk about Andersson coming out of nowhere, he was ranked third among European skaters.

    Like I've said, anything outside of the top 3 is pretty wide open --- and that was before Tkachuk started gaining upward momentum again.
     
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    Hell, look at Ryan Ellis. 5'10" and arguably the best guy on the deepest defense in the NHL
     
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    No doubt.

    I think we lost sight of the original point, which was that the (successful) longevity of small players is a very difficult curve to navigate. The odds aren't in your favor. MSL was a HOF-player. I know he's 5'4, not 5'8. It does not matter. Zucc has been such an outstanding overachiever, his style and heart makes him potentially fall into a MSL-lite category. Can he be 30-30 for another 3 years? The odds are against him, IMO. I would accept any 1st round pick for him. EDM1 is a dream/no chance. I'd accept any 1st. I'd also be curious to know whether Lundqvist will campaign hard for him to stay. In the end, I believe Zucc stays and Spooner goes. My two cents.
     
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    Why does Zucc bring back less than a Nash or Shatty rental? Your price for Zucc seems to be about the same as for Grabner, who is nowhere near Zucc as a player.
     
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    Not sure it's "my price" - I'm certainly not in the know, but it's my interpretation that Nash netted us more than what Zucc would. Part of that may be because there are far fewer 6'4'230 power forwards with hands. Some may be name recognition/respect.

    Does anyone believe Zucc is netting 8th overall, or anything very close to it? I don't see it.
     
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    Nash got what he got because of his status in the league, not because of his play. I don't think Zucc is valued like Nash around the league, even though he is the better player nowadays.
     
  18. Mac n Gs

    Mac n Gs Gorton plz

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    Was actually just getting ready to reply to @Ola the same thing. That playoffs plus exposure during the combine will turn heads. He’s a bull on skates with some slick hands. He’s slippery for his size too
     
  19. Amazing Kreiderman

    Amazing Kreiderman @StatBoy_Steven

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    Hahahahahahahahaha. Sure, you've had dinner with Martin St. Louis
     
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    Agreed on some of this. I honestly think that Zucc stays. What are your thoughts on Veleno, then?
     
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    Like Brannstrom last draft for HFNYR....
     
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    You tell me....



    Watch the clip at 3:30 or the whole thing.
     
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    Could see both happening, as well.
     
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    Veleno or Kupari, IMO.
     
  25. Edge

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    I like him, can't say I necessarily love him.

    I think he's a high probability NHL player, but I'm not convinced the high-end offense is there. Even after his trade, he was better but still didn't strike me as a guy I could see serving as the center of a top line.

    Second line? Perhaps. Third line? Definitely.

    But in a draft with some enticing talent, it would be hard for me to pass on the guys commonly viewed as being at the very top.

    I have him ranked 13th.
     

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