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Literately everyone in the league is one head shot away from being finished
While true, few have had brain injuries that result in being unable to speak properly for weeks.
Literately everyone in the league is one head shot away from being finished
So you reduce Zucc down to his height (incorrectly) and ignore how he’s been a 50-60 point winger for 3 straight years who has a year left at a good AAV? You don’t think that has value?
K.
Okay guys, let's bring it back a bit. At this rate, MSL and Zucc will be 4'9 by dinner time.
Hypothetically speaking, just for fun, what's your ask for Zucc?
I would with the RHDs that could potentially be on the board.
If it’s a first + prospect, I might be in the minority here, but I want a 2019 firstOkay guys, let's bring it back a bit. At this rate, MSL and Zucc will be 4'9 by dinner time.
Hypothetically speaking, just for fun, what's your ask for Zucc?
It's not unrealistic. Shatty rental got #1, #2 and a B- prospect. Nash rental got #1, #7, a B prospect and a middle-6 forward worth at least a second rounder if we dealt him away now. MZA is a better prospect, would play the whole year for the team and we can eat 50% of his salary. We should be able to get 2 firsts from a good team (2018 and 2019) and a B prospect. That would give us 4 first rounders this year and likely 3 firsts next year (I think Tampa is likely to make the SCF at least once in 2018 or 2019). That would be 9 first rounders in 3 years, including Lias and Chytil. Add the emergence of UDFAs Pionk, Geo and Vinni as legit prospects. Plus the acquisition of Howden, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Bigras. Then there are old prospects: Shesterkin, Nieves, Fontaine, Crawley, Day, Ronning, Barron, whoever is the B prospect we get for MZA, etc. And the 4 picks we will have in the second and third rounds this year.
That's about 15 really good prospects (worth a first round pick or more) plus at least another dozen with a realistic possibility NHL future. Maybe the best farm in the league.
Alternatively, we could do MZA at 50% to Tampa for Raddysh and Foote. They have Kunitz and Sustr coming off the books, so they can easily fit MZA at 50%. Lias, Chytil, 5 more first rounders, 3 more seconds, 3 more thirds, Shesterkin, Geo, Huska, Pionk, Foote, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Bigras, Crawley, Day, Howden, Raddysh, Nieves, Fontaine, Ronning, Barron, Lettieri... wow. Over 30 legit prospects.
If it’s a first + prospect, I might be in the minority here, but I want a 2019 first
Okay guys, let's bring it back a bit. At this rate, MSL and Zucc will be 4'9 by dinner time.
Hypothetically speaking, just for fun, what's your ask for Zucc?
Point well taken. Not a knock, but Zucc isn't MSL; and as I said, we can count on one hand the number of those guys thrive 30+5'5" at 38 got Tampa Bay 2 first rounders.
The thing with valuing Zuccarello is he's only got a year left before free agency. If I were Edmonton I'd want some kind of commitment from him or something more from the Rangers than a late round 1st pick for the 9OA. They can turn around and trade him at next year's deadline though and probably pick up a later 1st in next year's draft and get most of a year out of him....so maybe Chiarelli would go for it.
I'm with you. I'd rather spread things out a little.
The trade would ensure we would have two first rounds next year, potentially three. It would also result in us having at least 2 first round picks in 3 consecutive drafts, and potentially as many as 8 first rounds in 3 years.
That would be on top of what essentially amounts to having a first and two seconds from 2016.
While I prefer a 2019 pick, I would be thrilled to land Edmonton's pick in a deal. Having said that, I don't see the Oilers doing it for only a year of Zucc. That's why I've always thought Zucc's most likely destination would be a team that's potentially on the cusp of getting into the mix --- perhaps Florida, Dallas, or Calgary,or even someone like Anaheim. I think if AV goes to Dallas, it's a distinct possibility that the Rangers focus on that destination.
While I prefer a 2019 pick, I would be thrilled to land Edmonton's pick in a deal. Having said that, I don't see the Oilers doing it for only a year of Zucc. That's why I've always thought Zucc's most likely destination would be a team that's potentially on the cusp of getting into the mix --- perhaps Florida, Dallas, or Calgary,or even someone like Anaheim. I think if AV goes to Dallas, it's a distinct possibility that the Rangers focus on that destination.
A contender or a team on the cusp is the most likely.
Though I wouldn't count out a GM on the hot seat that desperately wants to make the playoffs.
The question is which is worth more- the known quantity of a potential mid-teen pick in this draft, or a potential late 1st next year?
On Zucc and a late 1st to the Oilers things---barring injuries the Oilers I would expect could at least get another 1st for Zucc at next year's deadline--maybe even a little more. Maybe Zucc in the meantime works some magic with McDavid and they re-sign him instead. I don't necessarily think that would be a horrible deal for them to do.
Nor is it a bad idea for the Rangers to hang on to Zucc for now. I wouldn't be against re-signing him short term more or less for the same cap $'s he's making now or barring that we could shop him at next year's deadline for a 1st and maybe a little more.
Speaking of Edmonton's 9OA--there is no guarantee that they're going to be that high next year. They might be in the 20's for all we know. When you can get a top 10 or top 15 pick in a good draft year you need to go for it and not worry about whatever other picks you have that year.
He may be listed as 5'8 but he's 5'5. Marty St. Louis is 5'3 for that matter. Can count on one hand the number of guys that size that have been durable beyond 30.
I definitely agree he has value, and I'm thankful for all he's done. One of the overachievers, no doubt. But if we can get a late 1st, I'm doing it. My initial reaction was that "mid 1st + something" seems far too much, IMO.
In the end, I believe he'll stay. I also believe Namestnikov stays. Spooner will be the one gone.
Hypothetically speaking, just for fun, what's your ask for Zucc?
I know Kaut’s almost a year older in his draft season but the numbers are really impressive. Also when the two have played together at the international level Kaut did outproduce Chytil (although Zadina did help out his production).Kaut is almost 1 yr older than Chytl.
A poor u18 could absolutely cause that to happen.
However, a really good one could push him into the top 10.
I know Kaut’s almost a year older in his draft season but the numbers are really impressive. Also when the two have played together at the international level Kaut did outproduce Chytil (although Zadina did help out his production).