Doughty Hit on Carrier (UPD: Suspended One Game)

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  1. Sol

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    He's right. DoPS want to be consistent now? Suspend the others. Don't want to look biased now do we?
     
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    Yup, there better be some suspensions from last night or else it's clear the NHL is playing favorites. Kadri should be suspended the rest of the series...
     
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    You go Dewey, about time someone calls out the DoPS, Wilson with a hit to the head, no suspension.. Though given the Caps, lost game 1 at home, probably not surprising no hearing
    Will see what happens with Kadri, figure they are giving the wheel a spin now.

    And I don't think the league favors the Knights. I just think they are all over the place on this stuff, and had the Kings lost game 1 at home, Doughty would have been fined and not suspended.
     
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    Great for Drew for calling out the DoPS
     
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    He will probably be fined or suspended for the comments.
     
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    Oh damn he called out Parros.

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    Parros will have to answer to Blake if that happens.
     
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    He's absolutely right and, as easily predicted yesterday before the slate of games were played, this suspension is not the new norm but just more wheel-of-justice garbage from the DoPS.
     
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    Sounds to me like Drew doesn't understand what the rule is anymore.
     
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    Who does though? The random way the dops hand out suspensions and fines doesnt exactly clarify things.
     
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    I would make a snarky comment about you being more of an expert than he (and let's be honest, it's warranted), but I'll refer to what Jim Fox said about a month ago, which is the two groups of people who know the rules the least are the players and the coaches.
     
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    I'd definitely say that is a fair response. The issue has always been consistency with a standard.
     
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    Neither does the DoPS. Keep trying.
     
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    Intent doesn't matter. In fact the NHL specifically removed intent from the Illegal Check to the Head rule several years ago.

    The onus is on the checking player to not make a hit that results in the opponent's head being the main point of contact.
     
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    Do you? I mean Wilson's first point of contact was the head and he left his feet, no fine or nothing
     
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    I'd say that he has less of an understanding than they do if he honestly believes that there are four or five worse hits than his last night.
     
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    I think he concedes that he makes contact with the head. And I can even concede that the head was the main point of contact. And it is arguable that the hit was unavoidable. Consider also that Doughty doesn't have any "priors" during his 10 year career, nothing recent or significant anyways. And this is the Stanley Cup Playoffs. One last consideration is that Carrier was uninjured. I will even concede that the hit was not legal. But where do you draw the line between a fine and a suspension? How is that determined? I think that's just what Doughty is saying. While he made contact with Carrier's head, he doesn't think it's suspension worthy, taking everything else into consideration.
     
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    Correct. Wilson is going to turn someone into a vegetable and yet Doughty's hit warrants a suspension and Wilson's does not. Keep spinning the wheel DOPS.
     
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    I can't tell if Wilson's first point of contact is the head but that doesn't matter anymore. They emphasize main point of contact now. I agree the skates left the ice and charging is definitely the right call that was made on the ice but I don't know if that's suspendable. If there was a clear angle for a shot to the head, I'd definitely agree with supplemental discipline.
     
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    And to me is Why there was contact with the head after initially hitting the shoulder. To which Doughty brought up
     
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    Kadri, Wilson, Johanson, and whoever got the boarding 5+ Game. I can't 'member, I was switching between games and Bubble Guppies.

    That's 4 questionable hits. You may disagree that they were worse, but you can at least see his frustration when he feels his hit was clean, and the hitee feels the hit was clean.
     
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    Gotta give every advantage to your darling new franchise. Drew is right to call them out.
     
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    Four questionable hits, sure. Four worse than his? Kadri, yes.Wilson and Johansen, maybe but getting an angle on those at this point for me has been troublesome, the Anderson board I don't know if it was worse but five and a game that early on is a pretty hefty price to pay that I would say is on par with Doughty's punishment since Doughty didn't get called at all. I totally get his frustration though. The consistency with which the league doles out punishment is absolutely a problem. I don't like the idea of going with player opinion in the moment or even in general on stuff like this because the health affects that go with it should mean that it gets more consideration than that.

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    The left shoulder of Wennberg is back, the first point of contact and principal point of contact is the head. Wennberg is still lean forward at this point in time, he is not moving in a backwards motion as a result of body contact first.

    Again they are not consistent, nobody really knows the rule at this point

    I wonder though had the Caps won, if the decision would have been different, I am leaning towards yes.


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