dotcommunism what does this mean?

AustonsNostrils

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Coyle is expected to miss 6-8 weeks after undergoing surgery to repair a right fibula fracture. He's been placed on long-term injured reserve.
Foligno will miss at least a week of action after suffering a left facial fracture that will require a procedure Sunday.
And Niederreiter is expected to miss at least three weeks with a high left ankle sprain. He has also been placed on injured reserve.
 

AustonsNostrils

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So by not calling up players until they have a game the Wild are accruing cap space that could be used later in the season?
 

Icicle

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So by not calling up players until they have a game the Wild are accruing cap space that could be used later in the season?

Ya, that's how teams that are close to the cap are able to afford a high salary rental at the deadline. They play cap games all season to bank up.
 

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Can Coyle's salary cap number be 'banked' because he's on LTIR?
No.

You can exceed the cap by the amount of his AAV while he's on LTIR, but that space doesn't get banked in the same way. A team with 2 mil in actual cap space can get an 8million AAV player at the deadline, but a team with a 2 mil LTIR exception can only acquire a 2 million dollar cap hit.

This was an underreported factor into the Seguin trade, the Savard deal was f***ing with their entire cap sheet; and the kid was the least proven high dollar contract they had.
 

AustonsNostrils

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No.

You can exceed the cap by the amount of his AAV while he's on LTIR, but that space doesn't get banked in the same way. A team with 2 mil in actual cap space can get an 8million AAV player at the deadline, but a team with a 2 mil LTIR exception can only acquire a 2 million dollar cap hit.

This was an underreported factor into the Seguin trade, the Savard deal was ****ing with their entire cap sheet; and the kid was the least proven high dollar contract they had.

If a 6M AAV player is on LTIR for half the season the team doesn't get 3M in cap space to use when it chooses to?
 

dotcommunism

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If a 6M AAV player is on LTIR for half the season the team doesn't get 3M in cap space to use when it chooses to?
I'm not quite sure what you mean. If a $6M AAV player is on LTIR for half the season, the team may exceed the cap by up to $6M for as long as that player remains on LTIR. The amount over the cap the team may go depends on how close they were to the cap before using the long term injury exemption. If a team had $3M in cap space when using their injury exemption on a $6M player, they'd only be able to exceed the cap by $3M. However, if they were at the cap when they used the injury exemption, they'd be able to exceed it by the whole $6M. Also note that a team may only exceed the cap due to the replaced player for as long as that player remains on LTIR. Once he comes back, they have to shed any excess space.
Now, if you're asking if a team that's nowhere near the cap can use a long term injury exemption on a $6M player that's injured for the first half of the season to get a free $3M in cap space to use whenever they please, no absolutely not.
 

AustonsNostrils

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I'm not quite sure what you mean. If a $6M AAV player is on LTIR for half the season, the team may exceed the cap by up to $6M for as long as that player remains on LTIR. The amount over the cap the team may go depends on how close they were to the cap before using the long term injury exemption. If a team had $3M in cap space when using their injury exemption on a $6M player, they'd only be able to exceed the cap by $3M. However, if they were at the cap when they used the injury exemption, they'd be able to exceed it by the whole $6M. Also note that a team may only exceed the cap due to the replaced player for as long as that player remains on LTIR. Once he comes back, they have to shed any excess space.
Now, if you're asking if a team that's nowhere near the cap can use a long term injury exemption on a $6M player that's injured for the first half of the season to get a free $3M in cap space to use whenever they please, no absolutely not.

ok but some cap space can be banked right? if a team has gone halfway through the season $4M under the cap they could make a deal for an $8M player.
 

dotcommunism

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ok but some cap space can be banked right? if a team has gone halfway through the season $4M under the cap they could make a deal for an $8M player.
Yes, because the player only has a remaining cap hit of $4M, and they have the cap space. LTIR involves teams going over the cap. Only actual space under the upper limit can be banked.
 

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so dumb to me that a team with a rash of injuries should have to worry about AHL call-ups affecting their cap - injury callups of minor leaguers should be exempt.
 

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so dumb to me that a team with a rash of injuries should have to worry about AHL call-ups affecting their cap - injury callups of minor leaguers should be exempt.

all teams play by the same rules.

Teams ARE "exempt", i.e., they are allowed an LTIR overage, if (1) they put the injured players on LTIR, and (2) they spend to the cap.

#1 is there partly so teams can't just call up players under pretense of injury to "bury" poor-value contracts. Even with that, there is gaming the system (Pronger, Hossa, others).

#2 is there partly by the NHLPA to encourage teams to pay to the cap so they can have LTIR overage relief (i.e., a mechanism or partial impunity to avoid devastating team competitiveness if beset by injuries to high AAV players), and partly for league competitiveness.

Would it be more equitable for both @CapCeiling and @CapFloor teams to be able to replace any injured player with impunity?

Extending the concept, that's also why a portion of contracts buried in the minors still count against the NHL club's cap. If you grant exemption for injuries, why not grant exemption for suck?
 

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