Big Phil
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Another bunch of guys who seem to be according to people's opinions, on the border either way of the HHOF.
J-C Tremblay - As far as I'm concerned he's close to a top 5 list of guys that arent in the HHOF. I know the REAL reason he's not in there. Of course jumping to the WHA doesnt help, but Bobby Hull did it. But then again the public wouldnt stand for Hull not being in the HHOF, they can for Tremblay. Played his whole career with the Habs, won 5 Cups and was a big player on each of those. Was a second team all-star in '68 and a first team all-star in '71. He had a career high of 63 points which was big for a defenseman back then, still is. He's also a name you hear of guys who werent invited to Team Canada in '72, he was missed there. I say put him in already.
Carl Brewer - Another guy who got a lot of people mad and I think that helps in keeping him out of the HHOF. But lets keep it on the ice. He was a second team all-star in '62, '65, '70. Was a first team in '63, losing out the Norris Trophy to Pierre Pilote, not a bad choice. Also was part of the Leafs three Cups from '62-64. The knock is Brewer left the NHL in '65. He didnt return until '69. he lost four years there. In total he played only 12 seasons in the NHL. I think it hurt his legacy coming back ot Toronto in '79-80 for 20 games. Now that he's dead people just might forget about him. His prime was short and it hurt him to leave the NHL in '65. Other than that he probably was a lock.
Mark Howe - He's always a hotly contested topic. Its hard to believe a guy with three first team all-star ('83, '86, '87) isnt in the HHOF. He had a great and I think long enough prime in his 16 year career. I think it hurts him that he has no Cup although he has two Cup final appearances. A Norris Trophy would have helped him too. Aside from that he led the NHL in plus/minus in '86.
Curtis Joseph - This will be a huge debate when his time comes up. He's got over 400 wins which will help. He has a playoff record that's below .500 though and even though he may be considered the best 1st round goalie of all time to me that's a knock. Once the 2nd round of the playoffs hit Joseph disapearred faster than the Roadrunner (not Yvan Cournoyer). He had some BAD game 7s in his career ('93, '01) and although he had some good moments it seemed when push came to shove he wasnt ready for the pressure ('96 World Cup). Joseph was an acrobatic goalie who did help his team but he has no Vezinas, no post season all-stars, and no Cups as well as Cup finals appearances. He never led the league in anything either, and in his prime he was always behind Roy, hasek and Brodeur at least. History tells us that a goalie basically has to win the Cup if he wants a chance at the HHOF unless its a case like Eddie Giacomin who had 5 post season all-star nods. That said Cujo has a better chance than Cup champ Khabibulin, but goalies have to be great to get in. There arent many if any goalies that get contested in the HHOF. Right now I say no to Cujo.
J-C Tremblay - As far as I'm concerned he's close to a top 5 list of guys that arent in the HHOF. I know the REAL reason he's not in there. Of course jumping to the WHA doesnt help, but Bobby Hull did it. But then again the public wouldnt stand for Hull not being in the HHOF, they can for Tremblay. Played his whole career with the Habs, won 5 Cups and was a big player on each of those. Was a second team all-star in '68 and a first team all-star in '71. He had a career high of 63 points which was big for a defenseman back then, still is. He's also a name you hear of guys who werent invited to Team Canada in '72, he was missed there. I say put him in already.
Carl Brewer - Another guy who got a lot of people mad and I think that helps in keeping him out of the HHOF. But lets keep it on the ice. He was a second team all-star in '62, '65, '70. Was a first team in '63, losing out the Norris Trophy to Pierre Pilote, not a bad choice. Also was part of the Leafs three Cups from '62-64. The knock is Brewer left the NHL in '65. He didnt return until '69. he lost four years there. In total he played only 12 seasons in the NHL. I think it hurt his legacy coming back ot Toronto in '79-80 for 20 games. Now that he's dead people just might forget about him. His prime was short and it hurt him to leave the NHL in '65. Other than that he probably was a lock.
Mark Howe - He's always a hotly contested topic. Its hard to believe a guy with three first team all-star ('83, '86, '87) isnt in the HHOF. He had a great and I think long enough prime in his 16 year career. I think it hurts him that he has no Cup although he has two Cup final appearances. A Norris Trophy would have helped him too. Aside from that he led the NHL in plus/minus in '86.
Curtis Joseph - This will be a huge debate when his time comes up. He's got over 400 wins which will help. He has a playoff record that's below .500 though and even though he may be considered the best 1st round goalie of all time to me that's a knock. Once the 2nd round of the playoffs hit Joseph disapearred faster than the Roadrunner (not Yvan Cournoyer). He had some BAD game 7s in his career ('93, '01) and although he had some good moments it seemed when push came to shove he wasnt ready for the pressure ('96 World Cup). Joseph was an acrobatic goalie who did help his team but he has no Vezinas, no post season all-stars, and no Cups as well as Cup finals appearances. He never led the league in anything either, and in his prime he was always behind Roy, hasek and Brodeur at least. History tells us that a goalie basically has to win the Cup if he wants a chance at the HHOF unless its a case like Eddie Giacomin who had 5 post season all-star nods. That said Cujo has a better chance than Cup champ Khabibulin, but goalies have to be great to get in. There arent many if any goalies that get contested in the HHOF. Right now I say no to Cujo.