Big Phil
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We have some more new debates to duke out. Nothing beats debating a potential Hall of Famer.
Andy Moog - Has a record of 372-209-88. Playoff record of 68-57. Those are both pretty good stats. For some reason no matter where Moog was he was good. He won 3 Cups with Edmonton and while Fuhr was the main reason why he still went 6-0 in the Oilers Cup winning seasons in the playoffs combined. Dont forget what he did in '81 with a young Oilers team upsetting the Habs. Then in Boston he helped them reach the Cup finals in '88 and then in '90 where he was a huge part. Unfortunately he had 30+ wins only twice and while its hard to say anything bad about him its equally hard to put him in the great category. Even in his last season in '98 he helped Montreal beat Pittsburgh and played very well. Moog is a guy that had a very good career and to me he's one of the best goalies that will probably never make the Hall. Still, its hard to put him in.
Chico Resch - To me he's a guy that you assume is in there but he isnt. He has a record of 231-224-82. He led the league in shutouts once, has two second team all-stars ('76, '79) and won a Cup in '80. Yes Billy Smith was the starting goalie and after that Resch was shipped off to Colorado. From '74-81 he was a pretty elite goalie. Keep in mind there were two years when only Dryden was voted as a better goalie in the NHL. That's high praise. He was also selected for the Canada Cup team in '76. Also while his numbers dont blow you away keep this in mind: His record with the Islanders was 157-69-47. Then in '81 he's shipped off to Colorado/NewJersey. Those teams were horrible, and I mean every year they were. Resch played on the '83-84 Devils team, one of the worst in NHL history. The few years surronding it werent much better. I think he needs a lot more recognition. His numbers went down when he got traded to a rotten team but before that he had Hall-like numbers.
Miikka Kiprusoff - Yes I know his career isnt over yet. Keep in mind he's just 30. He's right at his peak right now and it shows. So far he has a career record of 120-75. And a playoff record of 21-20. He led the NHL in GAA in '03-04 and led the Flames on that improbable Cup run. He won the Vezina last year and was a first team all-star. Most people probably would put him as the #3 goalie in the world right now, and dont forget how he helped Finland in the '04 World Cup. The Hockey News picked him as the best player in the game before this year. That's since changed but you cant take away his impressive '05-06 season. Personally I think he'll get more hardware by the time his career is done. A couple more all-star selections looks possible and maybe a Cup or another Vezina will happen. I think he's on the right track to the Hall of Fame.
Zdeno Chara - Right now you'd have to say no considering that Pronger believe it or not still has some critics questioning him. He didnt have a good season this year and if that's a trend he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. Leaving Ottawa wasnt very smart either. But so far he has a firs team all-star ('04) and a second team ('06). He'll need more than that plus some playoff greatness which he hasnt had yet. If he goes back to his best season '03-04 and keeps up that trend he'll get in.
Mats Sundin - Like Modano there is a lot of fence sitting with him. His numbers speak for themselves, by getting 500 goals this year. His best season might have been '96-97 and he's been a very good and close to elite player for about 12 years. Does that get him in? I dont know. He never led the Leafs to glory but who could? If you factor in international play Sundin has a Gold Medal and a high level of play. Throw in two 2nd team all-star selections in '02 and '04 and he has at the very minimum borderline credentials.
Andy Moog - Has a record of 372-209-88. Playoff record of 68-57. Those are both pretty good stats. For some reason no matter where Moog was he was good. He won 3 Cups with Edmonton and while Fuhr was the main reason why he still went 6-0 in the Oilers Cup winning seasons in the playoffs combined. Dont forget what he did in '81 with a young Oilers team upsetting the Habs. Then in Boston he helped them reach the Cup finals in '88 and then in '90 where he was a huge part. Unfortunately he had 30+ wins only twice and while its hard to say anything bad about him its equally hard to put him in the great category. Even in his last season in '98 he helped Montreal beat Pittsburgh and played very well. Moog is a guy that had a very good career and to me he's one of the best goalies that will probably never make the Hall. Still, its hard to put him in.
Chico Resch - To me he's a guy that you assume is in there but he isnt. He has a record of 231-224-82. He led the league in shutouts once, has two second team all-stars ('76, '79) and won a Cup in '80. Yes Billy Smith was the starting goalie and after that Resch was shipped off to Colorado. From '74-81 he was a pretty elite goalie. Keep in mind there were two years when only Dryden was voted as a better goalie in the NHL. That's high praise. He was also selected for the Canada Cup team in '76. Also while his numbers dont blow you away keep this in mind: His record with the Islanders was 157-69-47. Then in '81 he's shipped off to Colorado/NewJersey. Those teams were horrible, and I mean every year they were. Resch played on the '83-84 Devils team, one of the worst in NHL history. The few years surronding it werent much better. I think he needs a lot more recognition. His numbers went down when he got traded to a rotten team but before that he had Hall-like numbers.
Miikka Kiprusoff - Yes I know his career isnt over yet. Keep in mind he's just 30. He's right at his peak right now and it shows. So far he has a career record of 120-75. And a playoff record of 21-20. He led the NHL in GAA in '03-04 and led the Flames on that improbable Cup run. He won the Vezina last year and was a first team all-star. Most people probably would put him as the #3 goalie in the world right now, and dont forget how he helped Finland in the '04 World Cup. The Hockey News picked him as the best player in the game before this year. That's since changed but you cant take away his impressive '05-06 season. Personally I think he'll get more hardware by the time his career is done. A couple more all-star selections looks possible and maybe a Cup or another Vezina will happen. I think he's on the right track to the Hall of Fame.
Zdeno Chara - Right now you'd have to say no considering that Pronger believe it or not still has some critics questioning him. He didnt have a good season this year and if that's a trend he can kiss the Hall of Fame goodbye. Leaving Ottawa wasnt very smart either. But so far he has a firs team all-star ('04) and a second team ('06). He'll need more than that plus some playoff greatness which he hasnt had yet. If he goes back to his best season '03-04 and keeps up that trend he'll get in.
Mats Sundin - Like Modano there is a lot of fence sitting with him. His numbers speak for themselves, by getting 500 goals this year. His best season might have been '96-97 and he's been a very good and close to elite player for about 12 years. Does that get him in? I dont know. He never led the Leafs to glory but who could? If you factor in international play Sundin has a Gold Medal and a high level of play. Throw in two 2nd team all-star selections in '02 and '04 and he has at the very minimum borderline credentials.