Disaster 2004 entry draft!

[Hoffer]

Cam Barker

Those Europeans are all forwards. Now lets take a look at drafts from the past. Some teams draft for talent, others draft for position. Need a Defenseman who plays similar to Bouwmeester, and comes from the same Junior Hockey Program.
Cam Barker

Europeans always come out higher on the CSB rankings early in the season. However, they don't play as long a season as the boys in N.A. I wouldn't even worry about this years draft. Yes, its going to have more of a European flavour to it then say last year, which was a great CHL/NCAA draft, either way, I figure one of the N.A. players can break into the top 3.

 

[Naoned]

I don't quite see how this is a "disaster".

Exactly.

 

[SIBIR]

I guess with....

Hull
Sakic
Savard
Doan

right behind the top 5, doesn't count hey?

Savard would be leading the league no problem if he had been in all the games for Atlanta and Alex Tanguay would be Top 3 if he hadn't missed games either.

As for Dany Heatley, well....we all know he would be ahead of Kovalchook if not for the terrible accident.

no problem. you can take the top 20:

13 Euros
7 NA

 

[LightningFast]

1999...

1. Patrik Stefan - BUST
2. Daniel Sedin
3. Henrik Sedin
4. Pavel Brendl - BUST

I wouldn't call Pavel Brendl a bust so fast . He's dominating in the AHL with the Lock Monsters. If he's given a chance in his next call up and doesn't do scrap, than i'd be ready to call him a bust, but not yet.

 

[Anfernic]

I have noticed an interesting thing

Look at the location of the thread strater that's right that's write Switzerland, but we all know he is from Canada because the only player he spoke about since the 2 week he is register is Crosby

 

[THE NEXT ONE #87]

I have noticed an interesting thing

Look at the location of the thread strater that's right that's write Switzerland, but we all know he is from Canada because the only player he spoke about since the 2 week he is register is Crosby

Nice notice dude!

But I thought a Canadian notices that my English isn't perfect.......

Yeah I spoke a lot about Crosby, but not only about him.

 

[PhoPhan]

This thread is amongst the stupidest I have ever seen.

 

[Safir*]

Aside from Lundqvist, im not too familiar with many Euro goalies with tons of potential.

Kari Lethonen

 

[leafaholix*]

Mikael Tellqvist
Hannu Toivonen
Ilja Bryzgalov
Konstantin Barulin
Stefan Liv

 

[bushc]

Mikael Tellqvist
Hannu Toivonen
Ilja Bryzgalov
Konstantin Barulin
Stefan Liv

OUCH

 

[leafaholix*]

OUCH

That's funny how?

 

[bushc]

That's funny how?

Those are your goaltenders for the future. ROTFL

 

[icarus]

Those are your goaltenders for the future. ROTFL

Do you even know anything about half those guys? I'd say Europe has a pretty good crop of goalies coming up.

 

[jepjepjoo]

Those are your goaltenders for the future. ROTFL

This is what Finland has to offer for the future

Kari Lehtonen
Hannu Toivonen
Ari Ahonen
Vesa Toskala
Miikka Kipprusoff
Jussi Markkanen
Antero Niittymäki
etc.

 

[Epsilon]

You can also factor in Marek Schwarz who is being compared to Hasek and looking more and more like a top 5 selection in the 2004 draft each day.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Because Patrik Stefan cannot manage to play more then 72 games.

Not only has he underachieved in his career, the guy has been injured a lot!

The Sedin's have spent about three and a half seasons in North America... and they seem to just be developing slowly. Stefan's been playing the North American game for six and a half years and has done as much as the Sedin's... if not less.

Henrik and Daniel Sedin have stuck in the NHL over their careers so far, playing with one of the top teams in the league, and have managed to stay away from the AHL.

- Henrik's missed 5 games over three and a half seasons of hockey.
- Daniel's missed 13.
- Patrik's missed 60 games over four and a half seasons.

Even if the twins have been third line players, that's much better then what Stefan's shown so far. They've stuck to it, playing on a team with a permanent #1 line... they've stayed healthy and avoided healthy scratches throughout their mediocre careers so far... but there's still potential there.

Stefan's done nothing and managed to underachieve... he's a BUST. His #1 overall potential seems to have vanished.

This post makes no sense? So even though Stefan is doing more than the Sedins in less games he's still a bust? That is the message I got from your post. Truth be told they are all busts and none of them will last long in the nhl. The only reason you say the Sedins aren't busts is because of all the hype they get from the vancouver media. Another thing you failed to mention is that Stefan too has avoided the minor leagues. The Sedins are every bit as a bust as Stefan, if not more.

 

[LaLaLaprise]

Well, you got two already...

Sauve is from Quebec.

He was born in the US but was rasied and played minor hockey in Quebec.

That is like saying Heatley is german.

 

[Vincent_TheGreat]

Guys,

2004 Entry Draft

1. Alexander Ovechkin (RUS)
2. Evgeni Malkin (RUS)
3. Rostislav Olesz (CZE)

(Scout prognose)

If the scout prognose arrives, it will be the first time ever in the NHL history, that 3 EUROPEANS go first.

So what's happend to the NORTHAMERICANS?

Than otherwise we should put the NHL in an EHL (europaen hockey league).

It's obvious that in the near future european players will dominate....

Yeah, Euro's will dominate. Ok, you obviously completely overlooked 2003 and 2005. 2004 top 4 may be Euro's but that doesn't mean there better, and 2005's top 4 could easily be Canadians. It goes in Cycles, no one nation dominates any more, not even continents dominate. Its equal now, hate to break it to you.

 

[Strizzi]

This thread is amongst the stupidest I have ever seen.

I agree.

 

[1970]

This is what Finland has to offer for the future

Kari Lehtonen
Hannu Toivonen
Ari Ahonen
Vesa Toskala
Miikka Kipprusoff
Jussi Markkanen
Antero Niittymäki
etc.

Don't forget Mika Noronen. 15th in NHL in GAA, and that's after the last few games where he's played really poorly. He was in top 8 for a while.

 

[Fozz]

Who cares where they are born? As long as they got some skills that might make hockey exciting again, I don't care if they are coming from Canada, USA, the traditional European hockey countries or Iraq, South Africa, or Vietnam!!!

Agreed!

It just prooves that the NHL is a truly global game. Where the best players on the planet play!

 

[Jussi]

Agreed!

It just prooves that the NHL is a truly global game. Where the best players on the planet play!

Or should that be "Where the best players on the planet clutch and grab and play the trap"?

 

[1970]

That is the great thing about hockey. Only basketball comes even close to being a global game. Almost all the NFL and MLB players are from the United States.

Basketball is way ahead of hockey in "the global sport". Sure, hockey has more players from Europe, but that's because NHL rosters are 22 players with a minor league system while NBA teams only can have 12 players. But, even with less # of forign players, NBA has more World stars then the NHL. But besides that, basketball is much more sucessful (attendence wise, money wise) in Europe and Asia then hockey will ever be there.

But the reason why i say NBA/basketball is way ahead, because NBA teams have already been going to Europe/Asia/South America each off-season and played pre-season games, with other NBA teams or vs local teams and places have always been sold out and each event has been huge which is why David Stern hopes to expend the NBA into Europe in 2010.

 

[cagney]

Sauve is from Quebec.

He was born in the US but was rasied and played minor hockey in Quebec.

That is like saying Heatley is german.

He still represents the US in international competition.

 

[daynus]

And hoe msny of these

future?

what about now?

1. Lang 44 pts
2. Kovalchuk 42 pts
3. Datsjuk 40 pts
4. Naslund 40 pts
5. Palffy 38 pts

high powered europeans played on the New Jersey Devils last year. its apparent that a team needs skill-offense,toughness,defense and a goalie
to win the cup. as individuals these europeans may do well but unless there is some toughness on the ice, they will get the living carp kicked out of them.

i feel the same way, the WHL is putting out piles of tough guys and strong defenseman and think maybe we should change the nhl to the whl. on second though just leave it as the nhl.