Player Discussion Dion Phaneuf

aragorn

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One less than our 2nd line center....oh boy .And people wonder what the real issue with this team is ,its not the defense or the goaltending thats for sure:cry::laugh:

Exactly, the Sens are not getting the goal scoring from some of the forwards paid to produce pts & if they were they might be winning more games that they are losing by a goal or two. Two consecutive games without a goal was awful from them & losing games to teams that are behind them in the standings hurts.
 

topshelf15

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Exactly, the Sens are not getting the goal scoring from some of the forwards paid to produce pts & if they were they might be winning more games that they are losing by a goal or two. Two consecutive games without a goal was awful from them & losing games to teams that are behind them in the standings hurts.
Yep its killed us ,people cry about Ceci .Yet he should honestly be the least of anyone,s concerns.The defense has been exactly what we hoped it would be,which is very solid.As has the goaltending,we have a few forwards that have been pulling more than their fair share.But the rest have been largely disappointing
 
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Congratulations to Dion Phaneuf with his first ever playoff series win. I believe it is 13 years in the league, that must feel great.
 

Tuna99

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Congratulations to Dion Phaneuf with his first ever playoff series win. I believe it is 13 years in the league, that must feel great.

I was really happy for him. The Rags have some forwards that will cause him trouble, a lot more speed then Boston has and he struggled at times when the play got away from him, but overall just a stud of a player.

The downlow play the Rangers beat Montreal on in games 4, 5, 6 is a Phaneuf specialty, the Habs D is soft so I don't expect Nash to be able to skate through the blue paint and get shots on net and rebounds against Ottawa.

The best part is how this trade worked out not just on the ice but how Dion has been embraced by the fans and the city. He got dumped on in Toronto and he is exactly what they needed against Washington, just a player to stabilize play, the playoffs are about attrition and Dion never gives up, he never quits, and since coming to Ottawa he seems to have found a bit of magic.

For those who remember the WJC, he looks like that type of player again. Tough, big shot, PP, leadership.
 

coladin

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I was really happy for him. The Rags have some forwards that will cause him trouble, a lot more speed then Boston has and he struggled at times when the play got away from him, but overall just a stud of a player.

The downlow play the Rangers beat Montreal on in games 4, 5, 6 is a Phaneuf specialty, the Habs D is soft so I don't expect Nash to be able to skate through the blue paint and get shots on net and rebounds against Ottawa.

The best part is how this trade worked out not just on the ice but how Dion has been embraced by the fans and the city. He got dumped on in Toronto and he is exactly what they needed against Washington, just a player to stabilize play, the playoffs are about attrition and Dion never gives up, he never quits, and since coming to Ottawa he seems to have found a bit of magic.

For those who remember the WJC, he looks like that type of player again. Tough, big shot, PP, leadership.


That is a great assessment about Dion's downlow play, just a nasty player to play against, a heavy stick. And he is a guy who cares, and it shows. Very happy with him this year. Look, Chara isn't exactly fast either but makes up for his deficiencies in other ways, just as Dion will do.

My brother ran into him at the airport a few weeks back and he was, by far, the most accommodating player with his kids. A true gentleman. One thing my brother noticed was that he and Karlsson were always together in the airport, which is interesting. I think it speaks to the respect he has and has earned over the years.
 

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Congratulations to Dion Phaneuf with his first ever playoff series win. I believe it is 13 years in the league, that must feel great.

Would have to be an extremely close toss up..

Leaving Toronto vs Winning a Playoff round
 

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He's only going to get slower. We need an upgrade asap.

He has always been slow. He is a very effective D-Man. Virtually no team is selling an upgrade on Dion Phaneuf because teams don't trade valuable D-Men unless there are reasons. We got Dion because the Leafs had reasons to trade him.

We need to keep Dion and Methot and deal with the cap hits they have because teams need D-Men like them.

I think we play Dion at RD. Put Ceci on the 3rd pairing on RD. Let Chabot/Claesson and Harpur sort out who plays LD on the second and third pairing due to merit and we will have a solid D core.

Phaneuf and Methot make a lot of $$$ but Chabot/Claesson and Harpur make near league minimum money... so the D core is not too expensive.

Sorry after Cowen and Wiercioch and others playing in the top 4 there is no way we should get rid of Phaneuf just because he takes a lot of cap space.

If you watched the playoffs anyone could see why we need Methot and Phaneuf. Come playoffs both got more tough and brutal physically on opposing players and got away with it because in the playoffs it is a different game.
 

phillyknuckles

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I've always hated the guy, way back in the Calgary days but especially as a Leaf, but I have to admit that I warmed up to him a bit during the playoffs. Him and Ryan both looked like the players everyone expected. He played hard without being that, at many times, cheap player who would take liberties and never really answer the bell when someone came calling. He showed a lot of grit and if he can play during the regular season with that attitude, I'm good. I'm just not sure about how much he has left in the tank. Still, he's far better than we had to watch a few years ago, and he's a good stopgap for the younger guys for his last couple years on the ice before it's just too painful to watch.
 

Hutz

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He has always been slow. He is a very effective D-Man. Virtually no team is selling an upgrade on Dion Phaneuf because teams don't trade valuable D-Men unless there are reasons. We got Dion because the Leafs had reasons to trade him.

We need to keep Dion and Methot and deal with the cap hits they have because teams need D-Men like them.

I think we play Dion at RD. Put Ceci on the 3rd pairing on RD. Let Chabot/Claesson and Harpur sort out who plays LD on the second and third pairing due to merit and we will have a solid D core.

Phaneuf and Methot make a lot of $$$ but Chabot/Claesson and Harpur make near league minimum money... so the D core is not too expensive.

Sorry after Cowen and Wiercioch and others playing in the top 4 there is no way we should get rid of Phaneuf just because he takes a lot of cap space.

If you watched the playoffs anyone could see why we need Methot and Phaneuf. Come playoffs both got more tough and brutal physically on opposing players and got away with it because in the playoffs it is a different game.

Much less succinct than my snark, but far more accurate. I understand contract worries as I did day one of that trade, but I still don't see a realistic scenario where we unload Phaneuf and end up with a better d-corps in the next 2 years.

edit: oh, I mean I do, but it involves incredible rookie performances that are extremely unlikely and not something we ought to depend on
 

Sens Rule

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Would be a blessing if he waives and gets picked up. Get Shattinkirk with our new found funds and playoff success allure.

Methot - Karlsson
Chabot - Shattinkirk
Cleasson - Ceci

Shattenkirk is vastly overrated and one dimensional. Phaneuf is likely better overall right now.
 

JungleBeat

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Shattenkirk is vastly overrated and one dimensional. Phaneuf is likely better overall right now.

Overrated or not he scored more points than Ceci & Phaneuf combined. You're wrong Phaneuf is inferior both offensively and defensively. I think you're getting blinded by the notion that all tough big defencman are good defensively tbh.
 

Hutz

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Overrated or not he scored more points than Ceci & Phaneuf combined. You're wrong Phaneuf is inferior both offensively and defensively. I think you're getting blinded by the notion that all tough big defencman are good defensively tbh.

I disagree, Shattenkirk would be useful, but he will likely go for a similar price to Phaneuf and only adds a dimension we already have in Karlsson. If he wants to come here for 4 million, I'd be very happy. 7? No thanks. I think you're underrating Dion in his role on this team. With a little luck Chabot will be close to Shattenkirk level by the time we'd be regretting that signing.
 

Sens Rule

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Overrated or not he scored more points than Ceci & Phaneuf combined. You're wrong Phaneuf is inferior both offensively and defensively. I think you're getting blinded by the notion that all tough big defencman are good defensively tbh.

Lol at Shattenkirk being better defensively than Phaneuf.

Shattenkirk was the 4th D on both the Blues and the Caps. He is an average D that is a great PP specialist.

We have Karlsson... do we need a defenceman that's only superior skill is to be a PP specialist?

Some team might do well to get Shattenkirk if they have good defensive D's but lack an offensive minded D that is a PP specialist. Ottawa is most definitely not that team.
 
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JungleBeat

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I disagree, Shattenkirk would be useful, but he will likely go for a similar price to Phaneuf and only adds a dimension we already have in Karlsson. If he wants to come here for 4 million, I'd be very happy. 7? No thanks. I think you're underrating Dion in his role on this team. With a little luck Chabot will be close to Shattenkirk level by the time we'd be regretting that signing.
Seven million and you could stay far away. I'm sure he lowered his price with a bad showing with Washington though. 5.5 - 6M is what I would offer him, but who knows the market is volatile.
 

Hutz

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Sorry that I edited my comment and added reasons.... lol.

:laugh: kept the snark grade. I feel like I get equal points for accuracy and being succinct after the update. You still win based on snark. But keep in mind that makes you the Pittsburgh Penguins of this situation.
 

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