Did the Malkin/Hagelin Combo Change How This Year Was Going?

[Shady Machine]

After next year when we will have the same team essentially, I think it’s important that we NOT re-sign any older players....as Sid, Geno. Phil, Letang get older, we need younger players around them. That’s why I’m not big on re-signing Hags unless it’s for a very short term and I don’t see him agreeing to that. He’ll be 31. I’d rather see us developing draft picks, signing college free agents and signing or trading for mid-20s players or prospects...

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I agree. Don't really want to re-sign Hags unless he takes a 2 year deal (why would he?). He's been a great complimentary player and right now looks super important, but let's not over inflate his value.

Hopefully we can develop a couple other speedy 2 way wingers in the system.

 

[Shady Machine]

He was coming off of his 2n 30+ point season in a row with a career high of 17 goals, he was worth the risk given that, but since then, he's not going to get 4m. Up until that point if you looked at his career numbers, the Ducks thought they were getting what they had in Rakell, with Hagelin, but that wasn't the case. Hags is hugely inconsistent with his production but with Malkin he fits incredibly well and maybe he goes after his pay day, which I mean, good luck to him.

He was coming off 2 30+ point seasons and since then has won 2 Cups (hopefully 3+ by the time he's a UFA) and has put up seasons of 39 (15-16), 22 in 61 games or 30 point pace (16-17), and 27 currently but likely to break 30 by season's end. You and I might think he's really inconsistent, but his annual production suggests he's a 30 point guy pretty regularly. Add his 200 foot game, crazy speed, and ability to play up and down your lineup and I have no doubt someone throws 4MM at him again.

 

[vodeni]

He was coming off 2 30+ point seasons and since then has won 2 Cups (hopefully 3+ by the time he's a UFA) and has put up seasons of 39 (15-16), 22 in 61 games or 30 point pace (16-17), and 27 currently but likely to break 30 by season's end. You and I might think he's really inconsistent, but his annual production suggests he's a 30 point guy pretty regularly. Add his 200 foot game, crazy speed, and ability to play up and down your lineup and I have no doubt someone throws 4MM at him again.

Hags is one of those guys who's real value is on a strong contender's team, he (just like Horny) is a sort of missing ingredient that you need to put you over the top. if you put him on an average team his contribution would not matter at all.

 

[Peat]

The thing with signing Hags again that would bother me is at what age do you expect the pace to go? I don't wanna be stuck holding a slow expensive hagelin.

 

[The GM]

The thing with signing Hags again that would bother me is at what age do you expect the pace to go? I don't wanna be stuck holding a slow expensive hagelin.

I'd sign him up to a three year extension, hopefully for slightly less than he is making now (3.5M to 3.75M). I don't think he will lose his wheels because of the non-physical style he plays and we don't have to worry about him losing his hands because he never found them in the first place.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Good news is hes locked up again next year and by then we have plenty of guys who are ready to come up and make an impact.

Still dont have room for Sprong.
ZAR, Simon.
Blueger, Bellerive, Ohlund.

Those are the ones who are closest. I like Hagelin but we still have to be careful handing out 3 year contracts, not leaving much wiggle room

 

[Tom Hanks]

Good news is hes locked up again next year and by then we have plenty of guys who are ready to come up and make an impact.

Still dont have room for Sprong.
ZAR, Simon.
Blueger, Bellerive, Ohlund.

Those are the ones who are closest. I like Hagelin but we still have to be careful handing out 3 year contracts, not leaving much wiggle room

The thing with guys like Hagelin and Hornqvist is with their strongest attributes they are the best (or right up there) in the league at them. When going for cups you want to try your best to keep guys like them.

 

[Andy99]

By the 2019-20 season, I really don’t want the Pens to be acing the geriatric wing of UPMC. Sid, Geno, Horny, Phil, Letang will all be 32-33 years old. Do we want to re-sign Brassard and Hags at 31,32? We’ll have the oldest team in the league...let them go. Find some early to mid-20s replacements. Or here’s a novel thought: let’s develop some more players. We’ve done a pretty good job of it so far...

 

[Peat]

I'd sign him up to a three year extension, hopefully for slightly less than he is making now (3.5M to 3.75M). I don't think he will lose his wheels because of the non-physical style he plays and we don't have to worry about him losing his hands because he never found them in the first place.

His hands look decent right now and if they weren't, he wouldn't be having the success he would be having. Seems like it takes him a while to get into a groove with his co-ordination... Hagelin without hands is worth maybe 2m tops.

 

[KIRK]

His hands look decent right now and if they weren't, he wouldn't be having the success he would be having. Seems like it takes him a while to get into a groove with his co-ordination... Hagelin without hands is worth maybe 2m tops.

What about the Hagelin who's scored 21 points in 30 games as Malkin's LW? What about the Hagelin with 6g, 14a AT EVEN STRENGTH in those 30 games? What's a 57 point pace for a 2nd liner who helps Malkin play to his strengths worth? And, what makes one think it would be so easy to replace, either internally or externally?

EDIT: I'd want to see a larger sample size than the 30 games, but I've seen nothing to suggest Hagelin (a) isn't the perfect LW option for Malkin (especially when you consider everything tried over the last 5 years) and (b) is going to lose his speed for some inexplicable reason. So, ask yourself . . . what is THIS Malkin worth to you, because Hagelin is an integral part of any answer.

 

[Peat]

What about the Hagelin who's scored 21 points in 30 games as Malkin's LW? What about the Hagelin with 6g, 14a AT EVEN STRENGTH in those 30 games? What's a 57 point pace for a 2nd liner who helps Malkin play to his strengths worth? And, what makes one think it would be so easy to replace, either internally or externally?

EDIT: I'd want to see a larger sample size than the 30 games, but I've seen nothing to suggest Hagelin (a) isn't the perfect LW option for Malkin (especially when you consider everything tried over the last 5 years) and (b) is going to lose his speed for some inexplicable reason. So, ask yourself . . . what is THIS Malkin worth to you, because Hagelin is an integral part of any answer.

Well, that is Hagelin with hands, and it's pretty cool and worth the money we're giving him, and tbh I think there's a lot of cheap gits in this thread when it comes to what people are willing to pay him. Obviously extending him at 4m would create cap issues, but it's not like he isn't worth it overall.

But - Hagelin without his physical gifts is pretty close to hot garbage.

And I don't have enough knowledge or experience of the game to know at what age we can expect the legs and hands to go.

 

[Andy99]

What about the Hagelin who's scored 21 points in 30 games as Malkin's LW? What about the Hagelin with 6g, 14a AT EVEN STRENGTH in those 30 games? What's a 57 point pace for a 2nd liner who helps Malkin play to his strengths worth? And, what makes one think it would be so easy to replace, either internally or externally?

EDIT: I'd want to see a larger sample size than the 30 games, but I've seen nothing to suggest Hagelin (a) isn't the perfect LW option for Malkin (especially when you consider everything tried over the last 5 years) and (b) is going to lose his speed for some inexplicable reason. So, ask yourself . . . what is THIS Malkin worth to you, because Hagelin is an integral part of any answer.

Well THIS Hagelin is great. But by his own admission, he doesn’t get his legs going until after Christmas. Even so, if we could get this Hagelin for half a year and that POs, it’d be worth it. But when you consider his past two years here as well, you’d have to say that the stretches where he’s great has been limited. At what point, in terms of unknown amount of time he’ll be playing the way we need him to play, do you determine what his value and term should be ? Just too many variables for this team imo...

 

[KIRK]

Well, that is Hagelin with hands, and it's pretty cool and worth the money we're giving him, and tbh I think there's a lot of cheap gits in this thread when it comes to what people are willing to pay him. Obviously extending him at 4m would create cap issues, but it's not like he isn't worth it overall.

But - Hagelin without his physical gifts is pretty close to hot garbage.

And I don't have enough knowledge or experience of the game to know at what age we can expect the legs and hands to go.

Nor do I, but that's the catch.

I mean, we gave 3.75M for YEARS to guys like Kunitz and Dupuis because they meshed with Sid like Hags has meshed with Geno, except it's a smaller sample size where Hags ES production is as good as peak Kunitz.

If Hags were doing with Sid what he's doing with Geno, and Sid were elevating with Hags the way Geno is, would we be looking at the resigning question as critically?

 

[Peat]

Nor do I, but that's the catch.

I mean, we gave 3.75M for YEARS to guys like Kunitz and Dupuis because they meshed with Sid like Hags has meshed with Geno, except it's a smaller sample size where Hags ES production is as good as peak Kunitz.

If Hags were doing with Sid what he's doing with Geno, and Sid were elevating with Hags the way Geno is, would we be looking at the resigning question as critically?

I hope so.

And I suspect the way both tailed off is part of what's driving this - that and Hagelin's history of long troughs and huge peaks with us.

I'd add that Rust probably could play the Hags role with Geno almost, if not just as, well. But maybe not on his left with Horny.