Devils goalie dissection thread

[jkrdevil]

Geez Tom even from afar picked up on a little nugget everyone else missed.

The Devils sent out a press release

 

[My3Sons]

Well most, some were beating the he’s still hurt drum all along. I was skeptical they’d bring him back if he wasn’t healed and really they shouldn’t have but it does shed a new light on his awfulness coming ‘off’ IR

Once the doctor says it’s painful but stable the pressure shifts to the athlete to play. Unfortunately this likely isn’t “fixed” so much as the loose ends are trimmed and he rehabs. He’ll suffer more of these sorts of injuries most likely as he isn’t getting any younger and the demands of the position aren’t getting any easier. He’s a warrior and hopefully he can stay healthy enough to offer three more years of solid play.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Schneids was a .920% goalie in the first 3 months of the season. And this was after he sustained his first LBI towards the end of October.

I don't believe for a second that he wasn't battling this nagging injury all along. I know @None Shall Pass has been most adamant about this since it occurred.

Hopefully he won't rush back to get into the regular season. We know Kinkaid is more than capable, so he can afford to take his time.

You and I are the smartest people here.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I thought he really looked hurt in game 3 (late in the game) and game 5 of the playoffs. His recovery time was very slow at that point. He played a hell of a three games, but his recovery time was very slow in those games. It didn’t look quite as bad in game 4. I remember pointing that out. It didn’t lead to any goals against, but it took a while for him to get up whenever he went on his back or belly.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he had two injuries during the playoffs with how he was moving. That or he made his hip injury a lot worse on that one fall

 

[Devil X]

Schneider had surgery on his left hip, something with a cartlidge, recovery expected to be 5 months.
As per nhl article

Just based on that alone (forget last season) I expect kk to split 50-50 or 60-40 (with the extra games going to whoever's on a hot streak)

This news came out like 3 mins after i posted my question.

They aren’t trading Kinkaid (although I think many here inflate his value). With the Schneider news I expect they will also sign a cheap goalie in addition as insurance.

Well that play towards the end of Game 3 couldn’t have helped but either way yeesh, forget about dealing Keith now, we’ll likely need him in October


Laco Tacos lol...that’s about the kind of insurance you’re talking about assuming Cory only misses a couple of weeks.

schneider's value is ridiculously low right now, and we need kinkaid...so i don't think a trade is happening

Before the injury information was released on Cory my question was more about playing time. I never had any intention of trading Kinkaid. I was more saying if Keith continues to play as well as he has and the USA wins a gold or silver do we believe that will have an impact on next season. Based on how he played at the end of last year, minus part of the playoffs, and then going in to the WC and put up some good numbers and being a massive part of a team like that. I would guess that would be heavy on the minds of Coach Hynes and Shero going into next year. Now it doesnt matter as much because Cory likely wont be ready at the start of the season so Kinkaid will be the guy and we will see where it goes from there.

 

[Bleedred]

PTO Lindback again?

 

[JrFischer54]

Fully willing to chalk up Schneider's horrible year to the injury - and we'll just move on.

Don't think it would've changed his lack of rebound control that he's had since day1 - just his ability to recover and get that second-chance after the bad rebound.

I rather him just been bad then chalk It up to injury b

 

[MadDevil]

PTO Lindback again?

Does Bryz want to play again?

 

[NJDevs26]

I rather him just been bad then chalk It up to injury b

It's debatable...if this injury was going to be a problem going forward than I'd say yeah I'd prefer it be mental issues. I don't know that it is, but by the same token I'm not sure we can completely trust that Cory will stay healthy going forward, he already seems to be breaking down a bit and he hasn't had a big career workload. We were spoiled for a long time not only with Marty's talent but with his health, not every goalie can stay on the ice though.

 

[Devils Dominion]

PTO Lindback again?

hell no

 

[Emperoreddy]

If Kink can keep up his play though, I think Cory can definitely return to form in the reduced work load of a goalie tandem.

Asking him for 60 games seems like a real stretch health wise at this point though.

 

[glenwo2]

30,000th post!!!!

'CAUSE IF IT AIN'T KINKY, IT AIN'T RIGHT.


I so want him to win a Gold Medal, if only to infuriate the Canadian fans.

 

[Nubmer6]

30,000th post!!!!

You post too much

 

[glenwo2]

You post too much

@Bleedred beats me by a large margin, though.

 

[Camille the Eel]

Conclusion: Cory has to be considered a question mark for the start of next season. How much we will get from him at least at the start of the year is uncertain. Nor have I heard much about the exact nature of the injury or the surgery. Hip surgery is difficult (ask Alex Rodriguez) and groin injuries also tend to be chronic. Thus Kinkaid will be pencilled in as our # 1 for October on paper; plus Hynes and Shero will also decide who among the other goaltenders in the system is ready to be a solid # 2 for the first month or two. They may even bring in still more talent at the position. It will be interesting to watch what Shero does on this score.

To the need to acquire a legitimate first pairing left D man we now add the need to upgrade at least depth if not starting level talent at goalie.

 

[bobilly45]

Conclusion: Cory has to be considered a question mark for the start of next season. How much we will get from him at least at the start of the year is uncertain. Nor have I heard much about the exact nature of the injury or the surgery. Hip surgery is difficult (ask Alex Rodriguez) and groin injuries also tend to be chronic. Thus Kinkaid will be pencilled in as our # 1 for October on paper; plus Hynes and Shero will also decide who among the other goaltenders in the system is ready to be a solid # 2 for the first month or two. They may even bring in still more talent at the position. It will be interesting to watch what Shero does on this score.

To the need to acquire a legitimate first pairing left D man we now add the need to upgrade at least depth if not starting level talent at goalie.

I don't think you need to upgrade the starting level goalies... a cory/kinkaid combo should work well (if cory can stop blowing games with soft goals and kk can play clutch like the 2nd half of the season).
Imo kk starts more at the beginning esp if the hip rehab takes longer then expected.
Also it's a big yr for kk as this will have a big role in him seriously being considered as a starter on an nhl team (which I believe he'll get several teams interested in him and will be a starter in 19).

 

[Bleedred]

I don't think you need to upgrade the starting level goalies... a cory/kinkaid combo should work well (if cory can stop blowing games with soft goals and kk can play clutch like the 2nd half of the season).
Imo kk starts more at the beginning esp if the hip rehab takes longer then expected.
Also it's a big yr for kk as this will have a big role in him seriously being considered as a starter on an nhl team (which I believe he'll get several teams interested in him and will be a starter in 19).

I think if he has a pretty big year he can be a starter, which is contrary to my previous opinion.

I just that if that happens though, he'll be a starter on rebuilding team or a team with another guy that's been a backup and he edges him out. Think like Vancouver of this year, with Markstrom and Nilsson.

Maybe a middling playoff team signs him as part of a tandem and he winds up winning the job. Think a team like Philly of this year.

 

[None Shall Pass]

@glenwo2 I made a new one you can use for Kinky next year.

 

[glenwo2]

@glenwo2 I made a new one you can use for Kinky next year.

SAVED....for future use.

 

[Camille the Eel]

I don't think you need to upgrade the starting level goalies... a cory/kinkaid combo should work well (if cory can stop blowing games with soft goals and kk can play clutch like the 2nd half of the season).
Imo kk starts more at the beginning esp if the hip rehab takes longer then expected.
Also it's a big yr for kk as this will have a big role in him seriously being considered as a starter on an nhl team (which I believe he'll get several teams interested in him and will be a starter in 19).

I don’t think we can know what we will have from Cory post surgery, at his age, and given the arc of his performance over the past several seasons. The ideal is he returns to a premier baseline. That’s no more than 50 / 50 at most. The worst scenarios have him pretty much done. Lots of room in betweeen. 5 months of recovery take him into 2018 - 19 regular season.

Depending on how you evaluate Blackstone and Appleby, and Lack, you either do or do not obtain more depth. But don’t bank on Cory. We can’t know that.

 

[bobilly45]

I think if he has a pretty big year he can be a starter, which is contrary to my previous opinion.

I just that if that happens though, he'll be a starter on rebuilding team or a team with another guy that's been a backup and he edges him out. Think like Vancouver of this year, with Markstrom and Nilsson.

Maybe a middling playoff team signs him as part of a tandem and he winds up winning the job. Think a team like Philly of this year.

Unless cory really sucks this season, I sadly don't see them getting rid of him Instead I personally think kk will find himself on the islanders (esp if lou is their gm as he selected kk)

Alot depends on kk, but also alot is up to Corey on how he comes back from his long rehab

 

[bobilly45]

I think if he has a pretty big year he can be a starter, which is contrary to my previous opinion.

I just that if that happens though, he'll be a starter on rebuilding team or a team with another guy that's been a backup and he edges him out. Think like Vancouver of this year, with Markstrom and Nilsson.

Maybe a middling playoff team signs him as part of a tandem and he winds up winning the job. Think a team like Philly of this year.

hes been playing very well since the second week after cory went down. Even the playoffs maybe 1 goal was stoppable, the team's play was horrible for most of game 1 and 2. I know it's the world's, and you have some weaker teams, but he's playing well there too.

He prob would do well on a developing team, seems to play better with more shots (and giving up a goal 30 seconds in)

 

[Zippy316]

Kinkaid looks like he can be a solid 1A/1B goalie.

I'm not sure I'd ever trust him to be a 60+ start goalie just yet, but he can make a strong case for that depending on how he follows up next year.

Devils probably start off next year with the job up for grabs Assuming both goalies stay healthy, they then make a decision on who they are sticking with at some point in the season and deal the other goaltender.

 

[glenwo2]

Kinkaid looks like he can be a solid 1A/1B goalie.

I'm not sure I'd ever trust him to be a 60+ start goalie just yet, but he can make a strong case for that depending on how he follows up next year.

Devils probably start off next year with the job up for grabs Assuming both goalies stay healthy, they then make a decision on who they are sticking with at some point in the season and deal the other goaltender.

Ideal situation(which will never happen) :

Hynes locks both Kinky and Cory in a room with the season schedule, instructing them to pick the games they will play(each Goaltender will get 41 games).

 

[OmNomNom]

bump

I don't think there's anything wrong with throwing picks on goalies to invest in the future. doing so does not mean we're giving up on our organizational goalie "depth"

we could be deeper though