GDT: detroit does carolina - 02feb18

[Blueline Bomber]

If he makes 3 big saves and then lets in 3 stoppable goals, that washes out as a goalie who lets in 3 goals regardless of the defense in front of him. Which is not good enough for the NHL.

Yes, the scoring support should be there too. That’s an 18-man problem which needs to get fixed. Darling has become a 1-man problem which also needs to get fixed.

The point is that, if the team plays poorly in front of a goaltender and only scores once, it doesn’t matter if he lets in 2 goals or 8.

Darling, at the least, kept it a 2-1 game going into the 3rd period. Given the way the team played in front of him last night, and the way he’s played this year, you can’t ask for much more than that.

It’s up to the team to support a struggling goaltender, and last night was definitely not that.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The point is that, if the team plays poorly in front of a goaltender and only scores once, it doesn’t matter if he lets in 2 goals or 8.

Darling, at the least, kept it a 2-1 game going into the 3rd period. Given the way the team played in front of him last night, and the way he’s played this year, you can’t ask for much more than that.

It’s up to the team to support a struggling goaltender, and last night was definitely not that.

I wouldn’t say “the Canes lost because of Darling”.

I would say “Darling didn’t play well enough”.

 

[NotOpie]

How they got to the team is irrelevant. The Canes were the youngest team (weighted average) in the NHL the last year, the 2nd youngest team (weighted average) this year, and have promoted a bunch of guys to the NHL in the past few years. To say they refuse to bring up young guys just isn't correct. For years, this board *****ed about how Maurice would bring up young guys and make them "earn it" on the 4th line and wouldn't put them in roles that suited them. Well, now we have a coach that is giving young guys key roles and in some cases, they are learning on the job and making mistakes. If anything, we are probably too young and it shows from time to time (like the Washington game, like Fleury getting pick pocketed last night, etc..).

Your talking out of both sides of your mouth a bit NotOpie. Your saying McGinn and Fleury don't count as young guys (which is a silly statement), but then talk about Zykov, Foegele, and Wallmark? How are they different?

Maybe/maybe not, but we're now talking about guys that will see the ice maybe 9-10 min. a game even strength here. I wouldn't have a problem with the Canes trying 1 or 2 of these guys, but I'll trust that our coach, GM and organization has a better handle on this than we do.

So BBA, it feels like you're misreading my point....My point wasn't that the Canes don't play young guys. I never said that. References to Slavin, Pesce, Aho, et al were meant to highlight the youth that was ready when some or many thought it was not. My point also was that I think there are young guys who are ready and have a skill set that appears to be superior to the guys I'd hope they would supplant. Sure, the coaches obviously are professionals who almost assuredly know better than I, but, hey, this is a hockey message board, and if I want to play armchair GM/Coach, that's what I signed on for.

Guys either are ready or they're not...Slavin, Pesce, and Aho were ready. Hanifin, frankly wasn't, but I believe the college issue forced Ronnie's hand; so he played, learned, and continues to do so at the NHL level. McGinn spent a fair amount of the last two years, splitting time between the AHL and the NHL and rightly so. Fleury, despite the growing pains you highlighted, has mostly proven that he belongs.

Now maybe the coaches' strategy of keeping the kids in Charlotte until they over-ripen (something I'm not always opposed to) will make these guys better players long term. But right now we get no scoring from our 4th line, 17 points across Kruger, Nordstrom, Jooris, and Di Giuseppe. For a team that's starved for scoring, beefing up the production from that line while, in my opinion, not really sacrificing responsible play is a tactic I'd like to see attempted. Plus I think it creates interesting skill-set mismatches. Sure, maybe they get lined up across from Crosby and/or Malkin and get torched. But, frankly, that type of shit happens to Jeff Skinner and Derek Ryan pretty regularly.

The definition of insanity and all....

 

[MinJaBen]

Sergei Bobrovsky was .899 his last year in Philly, with every indication that he was not starter material. Then he won a Vezina for Columbus.

I'm not saying I think Darling will win any Vezinas. I am saying that giving up on a guy 30 games into a bad season when his whole life is changing, when he came in with a .923 lifetime NHL save percentage, is hella premature.

I’d love to give him the time and watch him become a Vezina winner. But before we do that, what is the rate that guys given the extra year after posting a sub .900 save percentage turn into a Vezina winner? How does that rate compare to the guys that just wash out the next year? And do we have the time to wait and find out? I don’t know the answer to the first two questions, but with the way our contracts are structured, I think that the answer to the last one is no. If we can find a better option for a goalie to go with Cam for next year, we should do it.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So BBA, it feels like you're misreading my point....My point wasn't that the Canes don't play young guys. I never said that. References to Slavin, Pesce, Aho, et al were meant to highlight the youth that was ready when some or many thought it was not.

Your not following the bouncing ball NotOpie. The post I initially responded was a general statement that said the Canes are afraid to make changes to the roster and call young guys up. That general statement re: young guys certainly has not been true for the Canes, which is and was my point. Whether we feel they were ready or not, whether it was because they were fantastic talents or not, whether it was because of injury, there is one thing this Coach/GM have shown, is they are not afraid to put young guys on the roster and play them in important roles, quickly. It wasn't a statement about player X or player Y. I gave examples of guys and then you tried to, for some reason, say some of them weren't young (what?) or didn't count, but that's totally irrelevant. They called up McGinn 2 years ago and he played well enough to get 20 games. They called him up last year and he stuck for the season. The called up PDG two years ago and he played well enough to get in 40 games, etc... So my comment had nothing to do with certain players, just the generalization that the Canes are afraid to call up and play young players. That statement just doesn't hold water.

My point also was that I think there are young guys who are ready and have a skill set that appears to be superior to the guys I'd hope they would supplant. Sure, the coaches obviously are professionals who almost assuredly know better than I, but, hey, this is a hockey message board, and if I want to play armchair GM/Coach, that's what I signed on for.

That's a different discussion and a fair one to have. I'm not sure I agree that Wallmark and Foegele would be superior, but we won't know until they are on the NHL roster. Foegele, to me, is more enticing than Wallmark and would be the first guy I tried if they were going to take that approach. Zykov would be an asset on the PP, but can he hold his own against NHL talent even strength? And I think he's a righty that plays left wing? (maybe not). Who would he supplant if that's true. Aho? Skinner? McGinn? Even on the RW side we already have Lindholm on the 4th line.

Guys either are ready or they're not...Slavin, Pesce, and Aho were ready. Hanifin, frankly wasn't, but I believe the college issue forced Ronnie's hand; so he played, learned, and continues to do so at the NHL level. McGinn spent a fair amount of the last two years, splitting time between the AHL and the NHL and rightly so. Fleury, despite the growing pains you highlighted, has mostly proven that he belongs.

So what you are saying, is this coach and GM (outside of Hanifin who may have had extenuating circumstances) have done a good job of knowing when these guys are ready?

Now maybe the coaches' strategy of keeping the kids in Charlotte until they over-ripen (something I'm not always opposed to) will make these guys better players long term. But right now we get no scoring from our 4th line, 17 points across Kruger, Nordstrom, Jooris, and Di Giuseppe. For a team that's starved for scoring, beefing up the production from that line while, in my opinion, not really sacrificing responsible play is a tactic I'd like to see attempted.

Foegele getting 1 full season in the AHL isn't "over-ripening" Even Wallmark is only in his 2nd AHL season and they were both drafted in later rounds of 2014. I'm fine if you think they are ready and can add a spark to this team. That's a reasonable position to take and may or may not be true, but the comments about Canes being afraid to call-up and play young guys and calling a year in the AHL as "over ripening" don't make much sense. Like I said earlier, I have no problem if the Canes did call 1 or 2 of these guys up to see what they can do, just don't need the mental gymnastics to justify why they aren't yet called up.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

2, named Scott and Darling.

Ha. I have a high school friend that lives in Chicago and her cats are named Kaner and Marian Hossa.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

The only chips I really like are Doritos. Those things are like crack if you get a good flavor.

 

[My Special Purpose]

I don’t mind picking on Skinner. He has 8 goals since a November 1st good for 140th in the league. Being as how that’s literally the only thing he contributes and exactly what the Canes are missing I’ll pick on him a bit.

I wasn't defending Skinner from the picking -- heaven knows he deserves it -- I just don't know how you can single him out when the list of the guys underachieving offensively includes just about everybody.

 

[Canes]

I don't particularly think any of our forwards are impressive outside of Aho. Even with Teravainen compiling tons of points (comparatively speaking), he is pretty underwhelming from game to game. McGinn looks like one of our most dangerous forwards on a lot of nights. That speaks volumes about our forward's abilities (or lack thereof).

 

[Negan4Coach]

Is there actual proof that this girl is his for real sister or just some fan girl that's given herself that last name in her handle?

How amazeballs would it be if she was just some random who fixates on Darling and claims to be his sister?

Appropos of nothing... I had a team leader once, with a smoking hot sister whom I promptly banged out right after I met her. when he found out he was very, very, very unhappy. I thought he was going to punch my ticket. The both of them lived together. I surmised that he had made the journey across the hall on a few occasions...

It goes on, is alls I'm saying'

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

How amazeballs would it be if she was just some random **** who fixates on Darling and claims to be his sister?

I got curious and googled “Scott Darling sister” and this was the first hit:

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Turns out he has two older sisters and they’re not so nice.

 

[NotOpie]

That statement just doesn't hold water.

Yup, I was merely commenting on the circumstances and what I hope the coaches are considering (assuming no trade is incoming).

Zykov would be an asset on the PP, but can he hold his own against NHL talent even strength? And I think he's a righty that plays left wing? (maybe not). Who would he supplant if that's true. Aho? Skinner? McGinn? Even on the RW side we already have Lindholm on the 4th line.

My point about Zykov was exactly this...there's no where for him to play at the moment and I don't want to see him on the 4th line. In his case, he's a scorer and that's his primary skill set. Even though the small sample size I've seen, he seems like a fair defender as well, that's not what interests me about him.

So what you are saying, is this coach and GM (outside of Hanifin who may have had extenuating circumstances) have done a good job of knowing when these guys are ready?

Maybe, maybe not....after all, one has to wonder if Slavin and/or Pesce would have been called up barring the original Murphy injury.

Like I said earlier, I have no problem if the Canes did call 1 or 2 of these guys up to see what they can do, just don't need the mental gymnastics to justify why they aren't yet called up.

Agree on this. And I wouldn't care if they called up Foegele 1st. I just think if you added a bit more offensively oriented guys on that line, it could generate some of the missing scoring....maybe not a lot, but more than what's there now.

 

[Lempo]

Is there actual proof that this girl is his for real sister or just some fan girl that's given herself that last name in her handle?

Adult hockey version of the 1994 teen fangirl of Take That?

 

[SaskCanesFan]

I got curious and googled “Scott Darling sister” and this was the first hit:

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Turns out he has two older sisters and they’re not so nice.

Judging by her Twitter history, this is not the least bit surprising. Just an absolute cancer.

 

[Vagrant]

"we" still need to score more goals

 

[AD Skinner]

The last game I went to I saw a truck in the parking lot decked out with stickers and a vanity plate that said "DARLS33" or something similar. I thought, that can't actually be darlings truck there must be a better place for him to park. I thought it must be some super fan... but now I wonder...

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I’d love to give him the time and watch him become a Vezina winner. But before we do that, what is the rate that guys given the extra year after posting a sub .900 save percentage turn into a Vezina winner? How does that rate compare to the guys that just wash out the next year? And do we have the time to wait and find out? I don’t know the answer to the first two questions, but with the way our contracts are structured, I think that the answer to the last one is no. If we can find a better option for a goalie to go with Cam for next year, we should do it.

Decisions aren't made in a vacuum.

If there are options available, I am certain that those options will be explored.

But the first option is probably to go get some f***ing goal scorers, since the chances of our goalie situation working out without further action are somewhat north of zero, while the chances of our offense making the necessary improvements without further action are pretty close to zero.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

It begs the question, when is Peters going to come out with “score a ****ing goal” in response to a question?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

It begs the question, when is Peters going to come out with “score a ****ing goal” in response to a question?

Real Soon Now. I hope.

 

[Canes]

It begs the question, when is Peters going to come out with “score a ****ing goal” in response to a question?

It's easy to call out laid back, timid back up goalies indirectly. Not so easy to do it members of our supposed core.

 

[AD Skinner]

Remember how he was going to swing the ice time hammer?

 

[sheriff bart]

Better late than never...Detroit did do Carolina, and how