Trade: [DET/LAA] Angels acquire Ian Kinsler for 2 prospects

[Voight]

From the Tigers view, the return is disappointing. But Kinsler obviously used his NTC to block any trade to other suitors.

Gruß,
BSHH

What exactly makes you say that? You do realize he had a down year, is in his mid 30's and is still owed 11 million right?

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

What exactly makes you say that? You do realize he had a down year, is in his mid 30's and is still owed 11 million right?

I think Avila said as much, of the teams they were talking to, he was only willing to waive for the Halos.

 

[Reality Check]

What exactly makes you say that? You do realize he had a down year, is in his mid 30's and is still owed 11 million right?

He apparently declined a trade to the Mets. Thus, it had to be the Angels.

The time to get rid of Kinsler was last year. But with him slumping so badly and with the market non-existant for a hitter at the deadline, Detroit had to hold onto him. Dumping his contract and picking up a pair of lottery tickets is about the best you could hope for.

Most fans understand they weren't going to get much for Kinsler and the time to move him is now. Thanks to the second wild card, the trade deadline is only valuable if you're looking to move good-to-great young, cost controlled pitching or a superstar who is still relatively cheap.

As for the Angels, he should still be great defensively even at 36. The bat officially might be in decline now however.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Will always remember Kinsler taking down the Giants and their players prior to the world series only to watch him do nothing and the Giants kick their teeth in.

 

[BSHH]

In an interview with The Athletic, Kinsler himself now confirmed that he was only willing to waive his NTC for the Angels (and not for the Mets, allegedly another suitor). Thus Avila's statement was correct.

Gruß,
BSHH

 

[Reality Check]

He apparently declined a trade to the Mets. Thus, it had to be the Angels.

The time to get rid of Kinsler was last year. But with him slumping so badly and with the market non-existant for a hitter at the deadline, Detroit had to hold onto him. Dumping his contract and picking up a pair of lottery tickets is about the best you could hope for.

Most fans understand they weren't going to get much for Kinsler and the time to move him is now. Thanks to the second wild card, the trade deadline is only valuable if you're looking to move good-to-great young, cost controlled pitching or a superstar who is still relatively cheap.

As for the Angels, he should still be great defensively even at 36. The bat officially might be in decline now however.

Well the bat isn't in decline...It's just gone

So much that his replacement in Detroit, an all glove/no bat Dixon Machado, is putting up better numbers at the plate.

Angels can bide time due to their overall offense and defense and the second wild card though.

 

[MMC]

Goddamnit. I wanted any 2B besides Kinsler. **** this.

Called it.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Who did you want?

 

[BSHH]

Called it.

If it offers any solace: Troy Montgomery (the better-rated prospect) has also been a mild disappointment so far.

Gruß,
BSHH

 

[MMC]

Who did you want?

Really any of the rumored 2B that were available in trade talks (Dozier, Kipnis, Castro, Harrison, Merrifield, Hernandez)

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Kipnis looks done too and he has a big salary for 2019.

All the other guys would have required giving up legit prospects.

 

[hockeykicker]

Kipnis looks done too and he has a big salary for 2019.

All the other guys would have required giving up legit prospects.

Isnt the angels minor league system basically the worst? Dont think they have the guys to get any of them, like you said

 

[MMC]

Isnt the angels minor league system basically the worst? Dont think they have the guys to get any of them, like you said

Ohtani just graduated and we still have 4 guys in the top 100 prospects.

 

[MMC]

Kipnis looks done too and he has a big salary for 2019.

All the other guys would have required giving up legit prospects.

I have no issues with that.

 

[Reality Check]

I don't think it would take much to acquire Whitt Merrifield.

Kinsler was worth a gamble as all Detroit did was ditch salary and pick up some lottery tickets. But they'll have to make a decision by the all-star break if they're still in the hunt and he is still a black hole.

While I think he is still good defensively, analytics state he has continued to decline the past 2-3 years. Understandable with his age but that's another strike against him.

 

[MMC]

I don't think it would take much to acquire Whitt Merrifield.

Kinsler was worth a gamble as all Detroit did was ditch salary and pick up some lottery tickets. But they'll have to make a decision by the all-star break if they're still in the hunt and he is still a black hole.

While I think he is still good defensively, analytics state he has continued to decline the past 2-3 years. Understandable with his age but that's another strike against him.

Are you sure? He’s leading the Royals in WAR.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Are you sure? He’s leading the Royals in WAR.

And he is under control through 2022.

Ohtani just graduated and we still have 4 guys in the top 100 prospects.

Who would you give up? Adell or Maitan?

I would be a bit surprised if Jones or Marsh can bring back a quality 2B in a 1 for 1 trade unless it's a rental situation.

 

[MMC]

And he is under control through 2022.



Who would you give up? Adell or Maitan?

I would be a bit surprised if Jones or Marsh can bring back a quality 2B in a 1 for 1 trade unless it's a rental situation.

I’d consider Maitan if we get someone that we’re gonna keep for awhile. He’d be pretty useless with Simmons and the new 2B in our infield for the foreseeable future.

 

[rent free]

I don't think it would take much to acquire Whitt Merrifield.

Kinsler was worth a gamble as all Detroit did was ditch salary and pick up some lottery tickets. But they'll have to make a decision by the all-star break if they're still in the hunt and he is still a black hole.

While I think he is still good defensively, analytics state he has continued to decline the past 2-3 years. Understandable with his age but that's another strike against him.

it would take a lot. he's cost controlled for a few more years and is great. they also don't have any reason to trade him

 

[MurrayBannerman]

it would take a lot. he's cost controlled for a few more years and is great. they also don't have any reason to trade him

He's 29. They should definitely trade him. They might not be good until he's a free agent.

But, yea, you're going to have to part with Jahmai Jones as a headliner or something. Definitely not Adell.