Speculation: Dermott staying up?

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I see a lot of "Dermott has surpassed Borgman" in this thread, I do agree with that based on how good Dermott has been but Borgman has still been more than sufficient imo...does anyone think that Borgman hasn't earned a job or just that Dermott has been better?


if Dermott keeps this up, I think he makes Gardiner redundant more than Borgman (probably next year, can't see us dealing Gardiner now)

Gardiner is a much more valuable defender than Borgman at this point. Dermott has a lot of work to do before he locks up a top 4 role on the left side

 

[Sniper99]

yah he is he is going to be sent down to the marlies when zaitsev comes back

you know this for sure? Like another poster said, hes played too good to be sent down.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

you know this for sure? Like another poster said, hes played too good to be sent down.

he has, but I also thought he played too good at the start of the year to be sent down. You really never know

 

[rent free]

you know this for sure? Like another poster said, hes played too good to be sent down.

kapanen is too good to be in the marlies, yet he's been there for most of the season. its about waiver eligibility and its always been about that. he will be sent down for sure.

 

[ACC1224]

Does Borgman need to go through Waivers?

 

[Randy Randerson]

Gardiner is a much more valuable defender than Borgman at this point. Dermott has a lot of work to do before he locks up a top 4 role on the left side

Dermott would need exposure to tougher usage for sure, but I think what he's done already is pretty impressive. Very smary and he won't do the bonehead stuff that Gardiner does, but the surprising part for me has been that he uses his hands and legs to move the puck up more than expected, so I really do think that he could pan out as a viable Gardiner replacement without a huge learning curve

Borgman I agree, but I meant that if Dermott replaces Gardiner that Borgman stays as the bottom pairing LHD. Rielly-Dermott-Borgman down the left side

 

[rent free]

Does Borgman need to go through Waivers?

nope.

 

[Joey Hoser]

you know this for sure? Like another poster said, hes played too good to be sent down.

This management has shown that they are comfortable making the team worse, if it means they won't lose anyone to waivers.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

This management has shown that they are comfortable making the team worse, if it means they won't lose anyone to waivers.

they wouldn't have had to worry about losing anyone to waivers if they did the sensible thing and played Dermott rather than bringing back the corpse of Polak

 

[frog]

there is no way babcock is sending dermott down. People overrate his benching of leivo and playing favourites... The truth is he doesnt play kapanen/leivo because they arent as good as marner, mathews, nylander, kadri, jvr, marleua.
Dermott may be able to play as a number 4 already.

 

[Joey Hoser]

People overrate his benching of leivo and playing favourites...

I don't think it's overrated(over-stated?) when Babcock literally talks at length about how and why he does that.

 

[zeke]

It was interesting seeing Dermott paired with Gardiner for a few shifts last night. Including the one where he dove to bail out Jake's blunder.

He looked good there. Babcock was forced to switch him back, though, because hainsey-polak was just a mess of an immobile pair there for a couple shifts.


but if dermott can handle the right side, all sorts of possibilities open up.

 

[zeke]

Dermott would need exposure to tougher usage for sure, but I think what he's done already is pretty impressive.

He does.....but of note is that he's already received tougher usage in his stint this year than any of polak/borgman/carrick/rosen/marinicin have.

 

[hullsy47]

He does.....but of note is that he's already received tougher usage in his stint this year than any of polak/borgman/carrick/rosen/marinicin have.

did he play much last half of the game ...u n ever know

 

[LeafChief]

I'll just come out and say it. I'm in love with Travis Dermott.

 

[613Leafer]

It's a small sample size, and Dermott's been getting some of the easiest minutes on the team in terms of high offensive zone starts and low quality of competition.

In saying that, Dermott's averaging 1.192 goals against per 60 minutes so far. By comparison, Hainsey is 2.133, Rielly 2.506, Zaitsev 2.176, Gardiner 2.053, Polak 3.033, Borgman 3.015, and Carrick 2.433.

Player Usage Charts - Hockey Abstract <- can toy around with this to get those (and other) numbers.

 

[WilliamNylander]

I really hope he stays up for the rest of the year.

After seeing what Babs did with Rielly in a year, we could see a huge jump in Dermott's overall game really quickly.

 

[ToneDog]

Dermott is here to stay and gives the Leafs the option to move Jake (in the off season) and save $3+M in cap space.

 

[Gary Nylund]

there is no way babcock is sending dermott down. People overrate his benching of leivo and playing favourites... The truth is he doesnt play kapanen/leivo because they arent as good as marner, mathews, nylander, kadri, jvr, marleua.
Dermott may be able to play as a number 4 already.

You think Leivo/Kapanen have to beat out the likes of Matthews/Marner in order to play? That's some strange stuff there my man.

 

[Lightsol]

Gardiner is a much more valuable defender than Borgman at this point. Dermott has a lot of work to do before he locks up a top 4 role on the left side

Only one thing I have to say about Jake Gardiner:
GET HIM OUTTA HERE!

 

[Morgs]

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Carrick
Dermott-Zaitsev
Polak

Send Borgman down to the Marlies.

Still will never understand the Gardiner hate. Even when he was struggling early in the season, he was still much much better than Zaitsev (who was clearly hurting him). He's been so much better not beside Z.

 

[Anthrax442]

Only one thing I have to say about Jake Gardiner:
GET HIM OUTTA HERE!

I criticize him a lot, but he has been solid the last 2 games. He did deliver a few pizzas (one very bad one yesterday), but otherwise he has done not a bad job. When Rielly and Z are back, hopefully it will take some pressure off him.

 

[Anthrax442]

Regarding Dermott (and Borgman), the trining staff got to determine what is better for them - playing top minutes at the AHL or 3rd pairing minutes in the NHL. But so far I really like what I have seen.

 

[hotpaws]

Regarding Dermott (and Borgman), the trining staff got to determine what is better for them - playing top minutes at the AHL or 3rd pairing minutes in the NHL. But so far I really like what I have seen.

you learn to be an NHLer in the NHL

he's still developing obviously but the way he's played so far it seems to me he'd be far better off with the Leafs , his skating/iq/physical play are all NHL level so there's nothing imo that would be gained by going back to the Marlies , he just need experience and that can be only gained with the Leafs

 

[Anthrax442]

you learn to be an NHLer in the NHL

he's still developing obviously but the way he's played so far it seems to me he'd be far better off with the Leafs , his skating/iq/physical play are all NHL level so there's nothing imo that would be gained by going back to the Marlies , he just need experience and that can be only gained with the Leafs

While I do agree, I think this is a mark for a good organization - knowing the line where a player is ready for NHL and being there wont hurt their growth.