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jetsfaneh

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I read a tweet last night that said the Blackhawks got bounced in 5 games in the conference final the first year they got to the playoffs with their squad.

They won the Stanley Cup the next year and proceeded to win 3 cups in 6 years.
 

CorgisPer60

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I feel fine about the loss. I was more angry after game 4 than I was last night, because I knew that the Jets were effectively done then. I guess you can call that feeling empty, but it's better than being sad and mopey about the Jets losing.
 
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DowntownBooster

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It's humiliating that an expansion team (aka boys) taught the men (aka Jets) how to play playoff hockey.

I think as much as we hate it, we have to acknowledge that Vegas is a good team. They finished first in their division with 109 points and knocked off the Kings in four straight in the first round prior to dispatching the Sharks in the second round. It was no fluke that they beat us. They have great goaltending and a hard working team. I don't think Nashville would have done any better against Vegas than the Jets did. It sucks to lose and be out of the playoffs but we did have a great season and managed to eliminate last year's Stanley Cup finalist. Predators fans are probably just as angry losing to us in the playoffs as we are about losing to the Golden Knights. We made good progress this year and hopefully next year will be even better.

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Unless your team wins it all, the season is a disappointment. But if you had told me before the season that the Jets would finish second in league standings and get to the conference final, I'd have called that a smashing success. We were all worried going on about whether they'd make the playoffs at all.

And so much to look forward to with this team. We have a great goalie in Helle, one of the best #1 C in Scheif, young guns like Connor, Laine, and Roslo who are just going to get better. Niku and Vesalainen knocking on the door. This is a team that's great right now and has a nice cupboard of prospects too.

Of course I'm disappointed we didn't win it all this year. But this is just the beginning!

Edit: apparently this is my 1000th post. Seems fitting. Hopefully a cup will come before #2000.
 
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Robinson2187

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Still bummed today...gimme a couple more days.

It's the way we went out and to who that bugs me the most. VGK is a good team that plays a great team game but it's still Vegas FFS.:thumbd: Truth be told, I never had a lot of confidence going into the series.

We experienced a fantastic season where a lot of our guys learned a lot about their games and playoff hockey. I have no doubt they'll be better for it which should frighten the rest of the league. It was probably the most enjoyable season of hockey I've ever had.

I would like to thank HF Jets for a really fun year on this board. I've learned a lot since joining.

Now I'm going to watch Office Space and it better cheer me up!
 

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I found this to be a very entertaining year. Even if we lost to Nashville, I would have thought this was a successful year.

I guess I was hoping we passed the biggest hurdle (Nashville), so it was a letdown to lose to anyone else.

Ah well. Looking forward to next season.
 

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Only one team wins. I've won and lost championships and played on good teams that bowed out early, not in NHL of course but good levels of hockey. It's so hard to win it all, everything has to fall into place, only one team can win it all so once it's all said and done I don't get disappointed but reflect on how great the season was. Onward and upward!
 

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Only one team wins. I've won and lost championships and played on good teams that bowed out early, not in NHL of course but good levels of hockey. It's so hard to win it all, everything has to fall into place, only one team can win it all so once it's all said and done I don't get disappointed but reflect on how great the season was. Onward and upward!
Do you recall at the end of last season I asked what you, as a former goalie, thought of Helle's potential? You were very positive-- said he had all the skills but just needed to work on the mental game, to mature his confidence and poise. You were right.:clap:

Now I am curious again--what did you think of his his playoffs this year and how much of the drop-off after the Nashville series was due to fatigue, confidence, puck luck or other factors?
 
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I think I could have handled it better if we werent beat by a once in a hundred years goal tending that just decided to come along the first time we ever make the semi final. We were the better team, hell we were far better in every stat catagory besides save percentage.

That hurt. What compounded the problem is the behavior of Vegas too with throwing our fans Canadian flags in the garbage, turning off the lights during our practice, police taping off the rink so we couldnt get in, ripping up pro jets signs taking away fans jets cape's etc. F them. As pompus as Nashville was at least they were still respectful I could have handled losing to them or the sharks or LA or even the Wild. But that team? No.
 

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The Jets had a great season and you won't wait long for another crack at it.

One of the great things about Jets fans is you have no sense of proportion. When the Jets win you're insufferable, and when you lose you're inconsolable.

I was a kid at Windsor Park Collegiate when Burton Cummings left the Guess Who, and I'm getting the same vibes here reading this thread.

When the sun rises tomorrow you can smile and think that Jets outlasted the Leafs in the 2018 playoffs. That alone should cheer you all up.
 

kanadalainen

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With you man, such a bummer and a frustrating way to go out. I know we're just at the beginning of so many years of awesome hockey, but it's hard to see that sometimes when the wounds are fresh. But the Jets are the best and we have the best fans, so we're going places peeps :thumbu:

The Jets are going to be strong for years.

I’m not to upset, this isn’t the best team we have. Laine and Ehlers are both still really raw(Laine needs time to work on skating and Ehlers needs time to work on puck disruption), Connor has more room to grow(mostly on finishing plays, I wouldn’t be surprised if he became as good as Schief by 25yrs old with his talent), Roslovic has lots of room to grow(potentially a really good 2C), Niku is potentially gonna be a an Elite Scoring Defensmen(and PP specialist), Vesalainen looks like he could be as good as Ehlers or Connor, Samberg is looking really, really good as well, Hellebuyck has proven he’s the best young Goalie in the league, Morrissey is top 30(I think, lol) in 5v5 Defensmen scoring and hasn’t seen the PP yet while being one of the best young defensive minded/ shutdown Defensmen in the league, Trouba is PowerPlay #1 time(and a couple more games played) off from being a 1D....

Not many people expected the success we had this year, but this all we have to give, this team and franchise is one of the youngest and has to be the most talented one in the league by a fair amount.... I don’t think we need to be depressed, this was a I real good season and a sign of what’s to come.

Nicely said!

I was really pissed on Friday night then again on Sunday afternoon, I woke up today in a good mood. If I am waiting for a championship as my payoff then I will need to find a new sport. We are going to lose most every season at some point so I am either going to find joy in the journey or I will just end up being one of those termianlly angry posters in PGT's after losses. The ultimate payoff one day will be a Stanley Cup and if that event happens I will cherish it forever. Along the way though I am going to treat every regular season like a playoff to make the playoffs and celebrate that milestone when/if we make it. I will also celebrate the series wins along the way and learn to find piece and enjoyment with incremental victories.

If I am only truly happy when we win the cup this journey is not worth it. This was a great regular season and a great playoff run up until the point we ran into a hot goalie. I was depressed for about 30 minutes but now I am finding the joy in the amazing ride this season brought us.

Wow, wisdom is dripping from this post.

I read a tweet last night that said the Blackhawks got bounced in 5 games in the conference final the first year they got to the playoffs with their squad.

They won the Stanley Cup the next year and proceeded to win 3 cups in 6 years.

Agreed.

So sad we lost.
So happy we have such a promising future.
Not really disappointed in such a young team.
Very happy the drama is over, looking forward to the future.

See above.:nod:

Unless your team wins it all, the season is a disappointment. But if you had told me before the season that the Jets would finish second in league standings and get to the conference final, I'd have called that a smashing success. We were all worried going on about whether they'd make the playoffs at all.

And so much to look forward to with this team. We have a great goalie in Helle, one of the best #1 C in Scheif, young guns like Connor, Laine, and Roslo who are just going to get better. Niku and Vesalainen knocking on the door. This is a team that's great right now and has a nice cupboard of prospects too.

Of course I'm disappointed we didn't win it all this year. But this is just the beginning!

Edit: apparently this is my 1000th post. Seems fitting. Hopefully a cup will come before #2000.

Yes, bang on. Thanks all.
 

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The Jets had a great season and you won't wait long for another crack at it.

One of the great things about Jets fans is you have no sense of proportion. When the Jets win you're insufferable, and when you lose you're inconsolable.

I was a kid at Windsor Park Collegiate when Burton Cummings left the Guess Who, and I'm getting the same vibes here reading this thread.

When the sun rises tomorrow you can smile and think that Jets outlasted the Leafs in the 2018 playoffs. That alone should cheer you all up.

Several WPC alumni on this site!
 

Ducky10

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I was bummed all day yesterday, still crossed my mind a few times today and felt a twinge. It all fell off the rails so fast. I mainly felt the way I did just because we got so close and after beating Nashville it looked as if we had a real shot. Getting that close is a great ride but the drop is pretty steep when you come up short. Vegas being the ones to dispatch us was a bitter pill.

I'm over it though, great, exciting times ahead.
 

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Only one team wins. I've won and lost championships and played on good teams that bowed out early, not in NHL of course but good levels of hockey. It's so hard to win it all, everything has to fall into place, only one team can win it all so once it's all said and done I don't get disappointed but reflect on how great the season was. Onward and upward!

Quoted for truth.

Even if you were the best team in the Stanley Cup playoffs, and I mean a 3-1 favorite in a seven game series against each and every team in the tournament -- and no team will EVER have that big an edge on the field -- you will have almost a 70% chance to NOT win the cup. If you were *only* a 2-1 favorite over every team in the field in a seven game series, you'd still lose the cup 80% of the time.

Don't buy into the seductive notion that failing to win the cup means the season was the failure. So much is beyond each team's control. They can only give themselves the best possible chance they can to win each game, series, and the cup.

Games cannot be won through sheer force of will alone. The Jets failure to win the cup was not some failure of "not wanting it enough". In the end, they were one of a handful of very good teams, the vast majority of which didn't win the championship. The time we had was amazing. The sense of community, even to strangers on the street.

As they say, don't cry cause it's over, smile because it happened. And then smile again cause odds look pretty damn good something comparable is happening next year too :)
 
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Do you recall at the end of last season I asked what you, as a former goalie, thought of Helle's potential? You were very positive-- said he had all the skills but just needed to work on the mental game, to mature his confidence and poise. You were right.:clap:

Now I am curious again--what did you think of his his playoffs this year and how much of the drop-off after the Nashville series was due to fatigue, confidence, puck luck or other factors?

To me Helly looked like the rest of the team in this series, mentally and physically exhausted. I attribute it to fatigue and it finally catching up to him and not confidence or puck luck. I said at the start of the year that I was thrilled about the Mason/Helly tandom as it would get us in the playoffs. Mason getting hurt gave Helly the reigns and although a I liked that he played lots and played well he did play too much at times, and during the season I kept saying that I hoped Mason returned soon as we were gonna need him to play some games the last few months. It's too bad he never did come healthy for a long stretch as I think Mason can be good, and they rode Helly a little too much, and it didn't affect him, IMO of course, until the latter part of the playoffs.
The last 7-8 games or so he wasn't tracking pucks (reacting) as sharply as he did all year and was making mental mistakes whether it be handling the puck or getting out smarted by the opposing player. His rebound control also slipped and I found he was a little too deep in the crease. I don't think any of this happens on purpose but sometimes mental fatigue affects your game just that slight bit and that's all it takes in the NHL to get outsmarted by shooters (I will speak more to this below), he wasn't horrible but played average and that is the reason I think why.

Interesting you bring up the debate from last summer, I saw a brief clip of Helly on CBC at the start of one of the Preds games where Helly said this:

"No matter what happens, at the end of the day I believe in myself. Confidence is a big thing, you have to be able to trust yourself and sometimes your making reactions not based on what you think you're gonna do but based on something happening and all of a sudden your glove pops out, that's what confidence does, it give you that half a second of patience that maybe forces the shooter to make the mistake. Sooner or later you're just so confident in the net and shooters can see that presence"

I had a healthy debate last summer that confidence was all Helly was missing and that he needed that last year to learn and adjust to shooters. (Last year he was second guessing, this year he was reacting, confidence sure helps) What he said above is exactly what I said last summer and how it's such a fine line and what a split second means at the NHL level. When I saw this video with him talking about it confirmed it for me, that he now had it this season and was outsmarting players. (Note: this happened less this series, I'll say why below)

Now to close, and where I'm going with this, is I don't see confidence as an issue down the stretch but fatigue, but the end result can be the same, being a split second behind makes all the difference in the world, whether playing the puck behind the net or playing in the crease, he just didn't look as sharp and quick with his decisions and that split second difference means the puck is in your net. That's what it looked like to me, because he didn't just all of a sudden forget how to play goal, just like the Jets didn't all of a sudden forget how to skate, they looked tired. Sometimes it happens, and I think all the accumulated minutes he played finally took it's toll. Now this is all my opinion of course and nothing more than that, but just like the Jets he looked tired mentally and physically, but just like the Jets Helly will bounce back next year and be fine.
 
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scelaton

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To me Helly looked like the rest of the team in this series, mentally and physically exhausted. I attribute it to fatigue and it finally catching up to him and not confidence or puck luck. I said at the start of the year that I was thrilled about the Mason/Helly tandom as it would get us in the playoffs. Mason getting hurt gave Helly the reigns and although a I liked that he played lots and played well he did play too much at times, and during the season I kept saying that I hoped Mason returned soon as we were gonna need him to play some games the last few months. It's too bad he never did come healthy for a long stretch as I think Mason can be good, and they rode Helly a little too much, and it didn't affect him, IMO of course, until the latter part of the playoffs.
The last 7-8 games or so he wasn't tracking pucks (reacting) as sharply as he did all year and was making mental mistakes whether it be handling the puck or getting out smarted by the opposing player. His rebound control also slipped and I found he was a little too deep in the crease. I don't think any of this happens on purpose but sometimes mental fatigue affects your game just that slight bit and that's all it takes in the NHL to get outsmarted by shooters (I will speak more to this below), he wasn't horrible but played average and that is the reason I think why.

Interesting you bring up the debate from last summer, I saw a brief clip of Helly on CBC at the start of one of the Preds games where Helly said this:

"No matter what happens, at the end of the day I believe in myself. Confidence is a big thing, you have to be able to trust yourself and sometimes your making reactions not based on what you think you're gonna do but based on something happening and all of a sudden your glove pops out, that's what confidence does, it give you that half a second of patience that maybe forces the shooter to make the mistake. Sooner or later you're just so confident in the net and shooters can see that presence"

I had a healthy debate last summer that confidence was all Helly was missing and that he needed that last year to learn and adjust to shooters. (Last year he was second guessing, this year he was reacting, confidence sure helps) What he said above is exactly what I said last summer and how it's such a fine line and what a split second means at the NHL level. When I saw this video with him talking about it confirmed it for me, that he now had it this season and was outsmarting players. (Note: this happened less this series, I'll say why below)

Now to close, and where I'm going with this, is I don't see confidence as an issue down the stretch but fatigue, but the end result can be the same, being a split second behind makes all the difference in the world, whether playing the puck behind the net or playing in the crease, he just didn't look as sharp and quick with his decisions and that split second difference means the puck is in your net. That's what it looked like to me, because he didn't just all of a sudden forget how to play goal, just like the Jets didn't all of a sudden forget how to skate, they looked tired. Sometimes it happens, and I think all the accumulated minutes he played finally took it's toll. Now this is all my opinion of course and nothing more than that, but just like the Jets he looked tired mentally and physically, but just like the Jets Helly will bounce back next year and be fine.
Great response, supports my overall impression, but always helps to hear it from someone who has played this very unique position.
Thanks!
 

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This playoff run was emotionally draining, and to be honest, while losing out on Sunday was sad, part of me felt relief that my stress levels would be reduced heavily now, as would my beer budget.

The highs were so high, but the lows were painfully low. I think as we continue down this road, more playoff appearances to come, the stresses will minimize from what they were this season.
 

thegr8one66

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I got over the Jets loss today, but what bothers me more is the fact this is Vegas' first year and they make it the finals. This shouldn't happen in any league unless there are under ten teams, only team I know that did something similar were the Everett Silvertips in 2004.

What's also embarrassing is that Jets could've had Fleury for a second-round pick. Don't know if true considering he had a NTC.

I heard Fleury turned down a trade coming to Winnipeg last June.
 

Tommigun

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I feel fine about the loss. I was more angry after game 4 than I was last night, because I knew that the Jets were effectively done then. I guess you can call that feeling empty, but it's better than being sad and mopey about the Jets losing.

Same here, I processed it after game 4. Winning that game would have evened the series and taken home ice advantage back, losing it pretty much meant losing the series. I was still hopeful but pretty much knew it was over.
 
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Tommigun

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In hindsight... I think it would have made sense to start Mason in game 5. The series was pretty much over at that point anyway, but a surprise win would have given Helle some time off to recharge for games 6+ and may have contributed positively for the team. They tried so many times with the same setup and it just didn't work that it might have made sense to do some shuffling in the goalie position as well. Helle had also been very bad in the series so it would not have taken much to surpass it. I don't think we would have won the game anyway though.
 

Ares

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It was sad but I'm over it and excited for next season. Not depressed at all.
 

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