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Let's start with Gustavsson + cap dump. With retention on Soderberg, what are the parameters of a trade like that? If it's not feasible maybe there is nothing there.
Don't worry, it makes me hesitate too, which is why it's probably fair. Avs really have relied heavily on Soda this seasonIf the Penguins didn't have any other options, I'd probably do Gustavsson and Hunwick for Soderberg at $3 million. There isn't one big issue with that idea, it's just like 2 or 3 small issues that make me hesitate.
Oh you are that guy, I assumed that after uncle eddie made such a fool of you, you wouldn't come right back with copies of your old posts. Nice to see that you're still here for folks to laugh at
If the Penguins didn't have any other options, I'd probably do Gustavsson and Hunwick for Soderberg at $3 million. There isn't one big issue with that idea, it's just like 2 or 3 small issues that make me hesitate.
Given our goaltending situation, I would expect one of Jarry or Gustavsson to be part of the asking price. Overall value would probably heavily depend on the amount of retention needed and the contracts coming our way...
Soda at 4.75M is not all that valuable I think.
Soda at 3.5M could probably get us something really nice...
Fool of me?
Thats fun, tell me in you expert opinion what makes Soderberg better?
Go ahead
Colorado would not touch it, so you don't have to worry about it.
Don't worry, it makes me hesitate too, which is why it's probably fair. Avs really have relied heavily on Soda this season
I'm good thanks; but you should definitely just keep copy n pasting your old posts with absolutely no self-awareness
...I mean proving that there's no reason to think that Soderberg is better, yeah that's totally what you are accomplishing!...
Don't worry, it makes me hesitate too, which is why it's probably fair. Avs really have relied heavily on Soda this season
i just gagged. let him stay in Colorado.
Ok you won the argument let's move onGood job, thats what i thought. Showing everythin Sheahan is better at is really hurting my argument. Again good job chief.
Yes, we can't wait for Brassard anymore or we may end up with no improvements. Soda fits what we are looking for in a 3C and is good for 40-50 points a season, waaaay better then Bonino does in a regular season.Why? He's putting up Sheahan numbers (36pt pace) with even worse zone starts then Sheahan (30% vs 33%) and with Comeau and Nieto as his wingers. That in itself should be pretty impressive. This was a guy that had 3 ~50pt seasons before he and damn near everyone COL had a brutal year. It's just all about at what cap hit (aka retention) and at what cost. Somewhere in there, there's a very good deal to be had.
I said this very thing this summer before he and the rest of the team came out much improved. But if COL is potentially serious about moving him, he would likely be a much better 'value' move (bang for buck or whatever you want to call it) then going balls out for Brassard. And importantly, Sodo PKs... something Brassard doesn't do. Which means no Rowney in the lineup (even as #4w to PK), and we could really roll 4 lines.
24 points in 55 games. We’ll keep Sprong.
Not saying Soda is bad, just not trading a guy like Sprong for him. And just because he’s on a horrible contract and you retain 50% doesn’t make him any better of a player
I just don't understand some these proposals given how valuable Soderberg has been to the Avs this year. It kind of defies logic, because it seems based on a premise that Colorado is making a trade that certainly does not help them in the short term and has questionable long term value.
Lol no. Soderberg easily takes 3C over Sheahan.
Are you expecting much more for Soderberg at this point? Gustavsson is a very good goalie prospect. Soderberg is a 32 year old 3C who has a pretty big contract. Sure, retaining makes that better, but it's still not exactly a great contract.
My issues are:
1. Gustavsson looks like a really high potential goalie, so I'm hesitant to give him up this early. He looks extremely promising, and he's a guy who would slide in and replace Jarry once Jarry gets traded in 2020. However, the Penguins don't need him though as long as they have Murray, they flat out do not need him.
2. Soderberg is 32 already and looks like he took a pretty clear step back from where he was 2 years ago and he has 2 years left on his deal. Is he going to just stay at this level or possibly get even worse? However, if he's making $3 million, that's not really that big of a problem. At full salary it is, but not with that much retention. Plus he could certainly bounce back when he's playing with Kessel.
None of those issues are game breakers, but they're things that make me pause. None of those are big issues, it's not comically lopsided in value or Soderberg doesn't suck or anything like that. It's just 2 smaller issues that make me pause.
All trades are just suppose to help the Pens in the short and long term, didn't you know?
Are you expecting much more for Soderberg at this point? Gustavsson is a very good goalie prospect. Soderberg is a 32 year old 3C who has a pretty big contract. Sure, retaining makes that better, but it's still not exactly a great contract.
My issues are:
1. Gustavsson looks like a really high potential goalie, so I'm hesitant to give him up this early. He looks extremely promising, and he's a guy who would slide in and replace Jarry once Jarry gets traded in 2020. However, the Penguins don't need him though as long as they have Murray, they flat out do not need him.
2. Soderberg is 32 already and looks like he took a pretty clear step back from where he was 2 years ago and he has 2 years left on his deal. Is he going to just stay at this level or possibly get even worse? However, if he's making $3 million, that's not really that big of a problem. At full salary it is, but not with that much retention. Plus he could certainly bounce back when he's playing with Kessel.
None of those issues are game breakers, but they're things that make me pause. None of those are big issues, it's not comically lopsided in value or Soderberg doesn't suck or anything like that. It's just 2 smaller issues that make me pause.
I've been saying Soderberg made sense in Pittsburgh all year but recently I just think Sheahan has stepped up enough that it's completely unnecessary. If Pittsburgh is trading for a 3C he should be a major upgrade on Sheahan.
Looking at the Avalanche, if there's a trade to be had there I think the Penguins should bring back Blake Comeau. One of the best PK'ers in the league. Can play anywhere up and down the lineup. Physical, hard working, damn good skater. Constantly praised for his locker room attitude and leadership. UFA at season's end. He seems like a prototypical "playoff" player.
Apparently. Given how Soderberg has played, it seems like the Avs would need some incentive to remove him from their lineup, which I don't see in this thread.
Plekanec would be the better option in my opinion mainly due to the fact hes a rental and doesn't have term
Well he's certainly not better than Crosby or Malkin and Sheahan is doing everything he is, in an equally defensive role, with better possession numbers to boot plus hes half the cost and 6 years younger.
I mean...