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Crusher20

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Question guys, it has nothing to do with Crosby but with RC cards..

i caught a Patrice Bergeron BuyBack (SP authentic 94-95 pack) wich include a Patrice Bergeron SPx super rookie 93-94... is it a real rookie, its numbered to /500.

the card number is R215.

i think its weird.. it isnt listed in the set.. is it a special card? if so why would Upper Deck call the card Rookie Buyback.. if it isnt really a rookie???

anyhelp would be greatly appreciated. i really dont know the value of my card... and i got the latest beckett..

btw.. i think the best or the most expensive Crosby could be the Sp Authentic.. but then again.. cards are having those new systems... it getting hard to know wich is good or not good.
 

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How does the UD Rookie Redemptions work. I want a Rostislav Olesz RC, but I keep seeing the UD scratch-off cards and it says it "could" be Rostislav Olesz.
 

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rookie review was the first to produce a crosby card, back w/ shattuck st. mary. it was a magazine rip out, and they aren't a major card producer, but it is his first card in circulation.

rimouski issued a set 2 years ago for crosby's 1st year in the Q.

pre-rookies are the only way to go. if you are going to collect a guy's rookie, may as well have his first card.

go on ebay and look up "pee wee" or "peewee" and you'll find some of your favorite players on cards when they played at the quebec international tournament at the age of 12-13 y/o.

i have bouwmeester's pre-rookie from '96 in an oilers uni.

lehtonen's real rookie, or as mr. beckett calls it his 'european rookie card,' dates back to '00-'01 while a backup for jokerit.

i've got j. lupul's rookie produced by medicine hat from '00-'01.

pre-rookies are much more unique collector's items.
 

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silver_made said:
rookie review was the first to produce a crosby card, back w/ shattuck st. mary. it was a magazine rip out, and they aren't a major card producer, but it is his first card in circulation.

rimouski issued a set 2 years ago for crosby's 1st year in the Q.

pre-rookies are the only way to go. if you are going to collect a guy's rookie, may as well have his first card.

go on ebay and look up "pee wee" or "peewee" and you'll find some of your favorite players on cards when they played at the quebec international tournament at the age of 12-13 y/o.

i have bouwmeester's pre-rookie from '96 in an oilers uni.

lehtonen's real rookie, or as mr. beckett calls it his 'european rookie card,' dates back to '00-'01 while a backup for jokerit.

i've got j. lupul's rookie produced by medicine hat from '00-'01.

pre-rookies are much more unique collector's items.

... maybe the biggest value on they will be the birth certificated signed, 1/1 Crosby RC-ertifate. with stamps of of the school, college, lhjmq nhl, and a game used piece of diaper on it.

it would be sold at 10 000 000$ ... at least..
 

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Crusher20 said:
... maybe the biggest value on they will be the birth certificated signed, 1/1 Crosby RC-ertifate. with stamps of of the school, college, lhjmq nhl, and a game used piece of diaper on it.

it would be sold at 10 000 000$ ... at least..

The autographed Crosby umbilical cord is worth a fortune.
 

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Man, hockey cards are so confusing and expensive now of days. I miss the days when they had 2 companies, Topps and OPeeChee. And 35 cents would get you 16 cards, a sticker card, and a piece of gum.
 

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i got a crosby itg heroes and prospect jersey crosby card for my birthday last year cause i couldnt think of anything else that i wantted at the time. Looking back i paid about $100 for it, but like i said, it wasnt my money so that was coo. I think the last time i read beckett it said the card was worth a little over 200 somthing so thats a nice book value. I have a bunch of other sweet cards ive collected over the years too. Im only 20 so ive actually only been collecting since i was in 5th grade or so.. I dont have too many old cards, but i have some nice auto's, patches, and a bunch of flyers memoribilia cards all ranging from 98'-now. I only end up getting a box or 2 a year if i can afford it, but i have a nice collection built up, problem is no one around here collects or really sells good hockey cards, i gotta go on ebay to get them these days. Packs are too expensive so i either buy singles that i think are worth getting or boxes which i dont do very much.
 

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DoobieDoobieDo said:
Regarding hockey cards this year there is some good news and some bad news...

It appears that Be A Player/In the Game might be pulling out of hockey, leaving only one card company behind, Upper Deck who has been notorious at producing expensive products that give little in return.

The other bad news is those SP Authentic Redemptions might not even be for Crosby's rookie card. There are 30 different redemptions, one for each team and then like 15 others for other rookies. These 15 are wild cards and speculation is that the cards could be another rookie from a team that already has a redemption.

This is something that has me intrigued. The Pittsburgh rookie redemption card by all means "should" be Malkin given the year it was released, and given that people are throwing out BIG money on that card I'd love to see some of their faces if they finally get the card back to see Malkin....which would still be a good card but not near what he Crosby be worth.
 

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it cant be malkin because under the nhlpa contract, all manufactuers can not produce rookie card of a player until they play game in the nhl
 

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silver_made said:
rookie review was the first to produce a crosby card, back w/ shattuck st. mary. it was a magazine rip out, and they aren't a major card producer, but it is his first card in circulation.

rimouski issued a set 2 years ago for crosby's 1st year in the Q.

pre-rookies are the only way to go. if you are going to collect a guy's rookie, may as well have his first card.

go on ebay and look up "pee wee" or "peewee" and you'll find some of your favorite players on cards when they played at the quebec international tournament at the age of 12-13 y/o.

i have bouwmeester's pre-rookie from '96 in an oilers uni.

lehtonen's real rookie, or as mr. beckett calls it his 'european rookie card,' dates back to '00-'01 while a backup for jokerit.

i've got j. lupul's rookie produced by medicine hat from '00-'01.

pre-rookies are much more unique collector's items.


Ive got a few adam deadmarsh auto cards like that from classic when they were around n the early 90's. all they did was minors and juniors. got a ton of players who went on to play in the nhl.
 

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Crusher20 said:
i caught a Patrice Bergeron BuyBack (SP authentic 94-95 pack) wich include a Patrice Bergeron SPx super rookie 93-94... is it a real rookie, its numbered to /500.

the card number is R215.
No, because it is not numbered as part of the base set.
 

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silver_made said:
pre-rookies are the only way to go. if you are going to collect a guy's rookie, may as well have his first card.
Not really. They are cool items, but a rookie card should be cards in the rookie's first season in the NHL (no World Juniors).
 

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Hedberg said:
Exactly, the 04/05 SP Authentic redemption won't be worth more than 40 dollars in a few years.
don't buy that!

I've got the minnesota wild redemption, whichshould e mikko koivu.

I also got from the 2004-2005 UD artifacts the colorado redemption which is hopefully wolski. The redemption cards are great for values, especially if they aren't all redeemed which happens often.
 

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Upper Deck Artifacts Rookie Redemption
(will possibly also apply to 04/05 SP Authentic):

RED1 Corey Perry Mighty Ducks
RED2 Braydon Coburn Thrashers
RED3 Hannu Toivonen Bruins
RED4 Thomas Vanek Sabres
RED5 Dion Phaneuf Flames
RED6 Cam Ward Hurricanes
RED7 Brent Seabrook Blackhawks
RED8 Wojtek Wolski Avalanche
RED9 Gilbert Brule Blue Jackets
RED10 Jussi Jokinen Stars
RED11 Jim Howard Red Wings
RED12 Brad Winchester Oilers
RED13 Rostislav Olesz Panthers
RED14 George Parros Kings
RED15 Matt Foy Wild
RED16 Alexander Perezhogin Canadiens
RED17 Ryan Suter Predators
RED18 Zach Parise Devils
RED19 Henrik Lundqvist Rangers
RED20 Robert Nilsson Islanders
RED21 Andrej Meszaros Senators
RED22 Jeff Carter Flyers
RED23 David Leneveu Coyotes
RED24 Sidney Crosby Penguins
RED25 Ryane Clowe Sharks
RED26 Jeff Woywitka Blues
RED27 Timo Helbling Lightning
RED28 Alexander Steen Maple Leafs
RED29 TBD Canucks (90% chance it is Rob McVicar)
RED30 Alexander Ovechkin Capitals
RED31 Peter Budaj Avalanche
RED32 Rene Bourque Blackhawks
RED33 Yann Danis Canadiens
RED34 Eric Nystrom Flames
RED35 Mike Richards Flyers
RED36 Kevin Nastiuk Hurricanes
RED37 Petteri Nokelainen Islanders
RED38 Ryan Getzlaf Mighty Ducks
RED39 Johan Franzen Red Wings
RED40 Brandon Bochenski Senators
RED41 Patrick Eaves Senators
RED42 Jim Slater Thrashers
 

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Crusher20 said:
Question guys, it has nothing to do with Crosby but with RC cards..

i caught a Patrice Bergeron BuyBack (SP authentic 94-95 pack) wich include a Patrice Bergeron SPx super rookie 93-94... is it a real rookie, its numbered to /500.

the card number is R215.

i think its weird.. it isnt listed in the set.. is it a special card? if so why would Upper Deck call the card Rookie Buyback.. if it isnt really a rookie???

anyhelp would be greatly appreciated. i really dont know the value of my card... and i got the latest beckett..

btw.. i think the best or the most expensive Crosby could be the Sp Authentic.. but then again.. cards are having those new systems... it getting hard to know wich is good or not good.




Random:


I was taking notes on a thesis topic presentation today; the basic topic was "Frontal Airmass Analyses", and the speaker referred to a Norwegian scientist named Tor Bergeron.

Of course, I foud out later that in my notes I wrote, you guessed it, Patrice Bergeron, and then followed it up with "...perfected his analyses with Le Titan Acadie-Bathurst of the Ligue De Hockey Junior Majeur Du Quebec."



I really should start paying more attention...
 

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TransportedUpstater said:
Random:


I was taking notes on a thesis topic presentation today; the basic topic was "Frontal Airmass Analyses", and the speaker referred to a Norwegian scientist named Tor Bergeron.

Of course, I foud out later that in my notes I wrote, you guessed it, Patrice Bergeron, and then followed it up with "...perfected his analyses with Le Titan Acadie-Bathurst of the Ligue De Hockey Junior Majeur Du Quebec."



I really should start paying more attention...
:biglaugh: That's awesome.
 

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Hedberg said:
No, because it is not numbered as part of the base set.

but why the set is called, rookie buyback.. its dumb.. and i dont get thing that.. if it is a part of the baseset.. normal numbered it is a rookie.. but still it is a special.. and now even with jersey and signature. i dont get it.. anyway, thats what i tought.. but damn.. i had hopes.. can you believe i bought that card 40? i got screwed.. something else.. i got michalek rookie.. (if it is the true one.. again..) numbered to 199 in private stock 2003-04.. it isnt the one with the team sign in the back but a number.. (9) i read it was a.. jersey card?? it is still the same number on the back.. is it worth something.. and what is my bergeron worth after all.. :rant:

thanks bud.... oh yeah, i also got a Thomas Plekanec RC (rookie update) i know it isnt listed in the beckett.. but.. also i dont know why the set (dynagon ice 2000) it was Mike Fisher RC, the true rookie.. and it was a special one.. i remember there was... like the first 3 cards of the set wich where specials.. but dont look different. i dont know what was the ratio.. but the rc never got listed.. any idea if it is worth something.

anyway.. cards are confusing and it is getting more and more confusing.. if you dont have the money... you better be EXTREMMELY lucky and have at least a good 15$ to buy a quality pack.. if not more..
 

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Crusher20 said:
but why the set is called, rookie buyback.. its dumb.. and i dont get thing that.. if it is a part of the baseset.. normal numbered it is a rookie.. but still it is a special.. and now even with jersey and signature.
It's called rookie buyback because Upper Deck bought back old rookie cards. Most all real rookie cards, but the SPX ones are not because they were released not as part of the base set, but as redemptions in 02/03 Upper Deck Rookie Update for 03/04 rookies. The Bergeron is worth about 25 dollars.

Crusher20 said:
i got michalek rookie.. (if it is the true one.. again..) numbered to 199 in private stock 2003-04.. it isnt the one with the team sign in the back but a number.. it is still the same number on the back.. is it worth something..
It is a true rookie. It is however the retail one out of 199, not the hobby one of 99, so it is worth about 25 dollars[/QUOTE]

Crusher20 said:
but.. also i dont know why the set (dynagon ice 2000) it was Mike Fisher RC, the true rookie.. and it was a special one.. i remember there was... like the first 3 cards of the set wich where specials.. but dont look different. i dont know what was the ratio.. but the rc never got listed.. any idea if it is worth something.
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It's not worth anything because Pacific made too much of it. The Fisher is worth about 1.00
 

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You say "rookie card" like there will only be one. He'll have about 45 different ones, from different brands released throughout the year, and from different companies. Some will be autographed, some will be jersey cards, some will be both, many will be serial numbered, some will be plain in the cheap brands.

And of course that's just the "normal" cards. There'll be hundreds of parallels, inserts, and memorabilia cards. As for brands, SP Authentic is usually seen as the most desired one, SPx a little behind hit.

That said, what are your motives here? If it's profit, there's likely none to be had here. These cards are going to be selling for hundreds of dollars right from the beginning, and their value will almost surely never be higher than it is at the beginning. The only profit in cards is usually by the sellers, who've been lucky enough to pull the cards in the first place. And of course, they usually had to spend thousands busting wax to find the card in the first place, so they usually don't profit either.

If it's collecting, then some advice is to decide what you want to collect and stick to only that. You won't be able to collect all of his cards like in the old days. Way too many low numbered inserts for that kind of thing. Even his base cards are going to be way too expensive for that.

So, I recommend waiting until an *attractive*, moderately priced card gets released, and then buy that one. I find a lot of the rookie cards are simply butt ugly, and their value simply comes from the rarity, not the beauty. I'd rather have a more common nice looking card than a rare ugly thing, but that's just me.

Very true.

Used to collect cards and like busting packs, but swore off them when the hobby got out of control and the market got saturated. Used to be they were a good investment, but as you said- not anymore.

Now, I collect game-worn jerseys and equipment. Way more expensive, but worth it to me. You get a piece of history, and not just some swatch of material where you have no idea if it was actually game-worn or not.
 
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