I like Coyle but that's an overpayment IMO (not drastically, but still too much). Thompson was a recent 26th overall who shows a lot of promise. Him plus the 29th this year is pretty comparable to what the Blues expected to give up for Schenn (27th overall and another pick presumed to be in the 20s). Philly also agreed to take on an albatross contract for two years.
Proposal: Coyle to STL
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I like Coyle but that's an overpayment IMO (not drastically, but still too much). Thompson was a recent 26th overall who shows a lot of promise. Him plus the 29th this year is pretty comparable to what the Blues expected to give up for Schenn (27th overall and another pick presumed to be in the 20s). Philly also agreed to take on an albatross contract for two years.
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No idea what this is supposed to do for Minnesota. If a player like Coyle, Zucker or Nino is moved for a prospect I can’t see it being for an all around downgrade in quality.
If one of those guys is moved for a prospect it will be for a guy who is expected to be better than Coyle where the team acquiring Coyle is looking for immediate help the next two years or so.
So yes, imagine a Kyrou or Thomas and a 2nd/3rd/4th pick scenario or this doesn’t happen. And no, St. Louis isn’t close enough to the cup to make that deal.
If one of those guys is moved for a prospect it will be for a guy who is expected to be better than Coyle where the team acquiring Coyle is looking for immediate help the next two years or so.
So yes, imagine a Kyrou or Thomas and a 2nd/3rd/4th pick scenario or this doesn’t happen. And no, St. Louis isn’t close enough to the cup to make that deal.
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While it may be a tad bit too much, they would be trading him within the division. I wouldn’t be upset about the deal. I think he’d bounce back to be a 55-60 point player with Schwartz and Schenn.
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For a guy who plays sheltered minutes and is a middling defenseman at best, his name sure does come up in a lot of trade offers. Are NHL teams being that nice to the Blues to take him off their hands?
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He's likely going to bounce back to be a 50-60 point player, playing with whoever he'll be playing with here.
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A 1st is always nice, but we need current Coyle a lot more than we need Thompson.
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Yes and there is nothing about Thompson that gives me any confidence he'll even be as good as Coyle let alone better. This is an established guy who will likely score 50-60 for the next few years barring more weird injuries. Not to mention we'd also be trading our only right handed shot in the top-9 to a division rival? Long story short, if the Blues want Coyle, they're going to have to impress the hell out of the Wild with an offer.
Totally fair, just want to make clear that Thompson isn't some throwaway prospect. He's viewed pretty highly by the Blues organization. Fans here have a tendency to ask for the best 1 or 2 prospects a team has and disregard everybody else as worthless. Teams rarely move the top guys in their system.
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He'd be similar to Coyle if he got to about 95% of his ceiling so no, not really. If Thompson turned out to be as good as Coyle, any Blues fan would be ecstatic. He's realistically going to be a 45-55 point player if things go well-really well in his development.
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I don't know, it seemed like he was the second coming whenever his name popped up in proposal with the Habs so I guess that was an overcompensation because it was a Habs proposal?
That's how I based his value. With what you said it's probably a fair deal then.
The thing about Minnesota and St. Louis is that we both need a player better than Coyle.
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I don't think it's an unrealistic hope for Thompson at all. He is 20 and should have been playing in the AHL all of last year to get used to the pros and bulk up, but the Blues minor league situation was a mess and they lacked depth in the NHL. Once he adds muscle and grows into his considerable frame he's going to have a lot more confidence on the ice. He could be a 3rd liner or he could be an absolute force.
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I'm not sure if he was advertised as the second coming. I think for a lot, it is just a matter of not trading a RW for a LW, not a bias against Habs players. Although towards the end of the 100th Patches for Thomas + 1st it may have been.
Yeah I don't think many Blues fans would consider Thompson untouchable. I quite like him as a prospect, but I think he has several years of development ahead of him before he gets there. If the Blues can move him for a guy a few years older who can help in the more immediate term I'm ok with it. We have players ready to win now.
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No thanks.
Reasons:
- Thompson is a nice prospect, but we need performance next season. Coyle will give 20+20 minimum.
- Forward prospect pipeline is full with Greenway/Kunin/Ek/Sokolov/Kaprisov. Adding yet another future forward to the pile does nothing.
We need next season upgrades at expense of several future players. We have 6 lines of mediocre forward assets already.
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Are you thinking of Thomas and not Thompson? Robert Thomas is pretty much off the table barring any sort of ludicrous overpayment as he is the first legitimate top 6 center prospect the Blues have had in the better part of a decade and by all indications will be on the team this season as a 19 year old. Thompson is a good-not-great prospect who some Blues fans (and more importantly, the front office) are high on. But, I don’t think anyone would consider him untouchable. I personally don’t think he projects more than a middle/bottom 6 tweener.
