Constructive Criticism of Peter Chiarelli

[GodPucker]

Fire the clown. Season is only 12 games anyways. It's done.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

It's easy find fault with the big deals, but most of them I haven't minded.

Talbot was a steal

Reinhart was horrid, but it's been discussed that Chai didn't know the player and the was a move pushed for by Green.

Even Maroon and Kassian were two nice "buy low" trades

Hall for Larsson (and essencially Lucic) filled needs and did help to balance the roster improving size upfront and the defence.

Where I do have a problem though was the needless down grades of good depth, especially on defence. This time last year the defence was 7 deep with one good situational specialist in Gryba, and 3 guys in Bakersfield that played over 15 games the season before.

Sekera, Larsson, Klefbom, Russell, Davidson, Nurse, Benning, Gryba
Fayne, Reinhart, Oesterle

Now they're just 6 deep (with one known to be injured) and 2 situation specialists in Gryba and Auvitu, and 2 vet options in Bakersfield (neither of which played more than 3 NHL games last year).

Remember, they ran into injury issues on the backend early last year too. Now Davidson and Nurse aren't at Sekera, but still being able to have a quality third pairing guy step in from the PB minimized the loss of one of the top 6. I don't think this team is hurting as much if you have a Davidson or even Oesterle/Reinhart on the 3rd pairing vs. the circus that is Auvitu and Gryba at evens.


Truth be told I think TMac and his coaching staff hold more responsiblity for the disaster that is the start of this year vs. Chai. They've been the ones that have continually pounded square pegs into round hole his year in regards to play usage and roles.

 

[Soundwave]

Maroon was a good find, but Kassian ... eh ... is this guy planning on scoring any time ... like ever? He's scored 10 goals for the team now over parts of 3 seasons, and is actually probably overpaid at $1.9 million.

Talbot was a solid from Sather. To be honest the only slam dunk move in our favor that Chia has made is the Maroon find.

 

[GodPucker]

Kassian has sucked this year. Talbot was also a favor, I agree. He still got him though. That's like Brad T down south getting Hamilton with a worse offer. Sometimes sh** just happens.

Maroon is by far his main slam dunk.

People will always disagree with the Larsson for Hall trade.

All I know is that we were a bottom 5 offensive and defensive team before these moves. Then we were top 10 in both....

Something is very off this year. Special teams is destroying us as well.

 

[Soundwave]

Kassian has never been that great here.

He had one great playoff game, so did David Desharnais.

7 goals last year, 0 this year, 3 the year before. Whoopity doo. Maybe one day he can carry Raffi Torres' jock strap.

 

[GodPucker]

Kassian was still a good risk that has been a net positive IMO. If kass stays clean and doesn't "Torres" it up outside and also doesn't head hunt, i would say he can more than carry Torres' jock.

 

[Soundwave]

Kassian was still a good risk that has been a net positive IMO. If kass stays clean and doesn't "Torres" it up outside and also doesn't head hunt, i would say he can more than carry Torres' jock.

No he can't. Call me when he scores 20 goals or even 15 in a season here.

Again more nonsense about character.

I don't care and don't want to hear it. I will take a guy doing coke and railing three strippers before every game who gives me production on the ice. I'll go watch Disney on Ice if I want to see nice player skating around with the warm and fuzzies.

That's not what I watch NHL hockey for. Win, produce, or get the f*** out of here.

 

[Throttlehead]

We would be foolish to try and move Kassian, he is on a good contract, brings size, speed, PK player. Its the coach that keeps him on the fourth line.

 

[GodPucker]

No he can't. Call me when he scores 20 goals or even 15 in a season here.

Again more nonsense about character.

I don't care and don't want to hear it. I will take a guy doing coke and railing three strippers before every game who gives me production on the ice. I'll go watch Disney on Ice if I want to see nice player skating around with the warm and fuzzies.

That's not what I watch NHL hockey for. Win, produce, or get the **** out of here.

lol. I can't even argue with you there. Produce in those 60 minutes or GTFO. Do what you want outside as long as it doesn't screw your game up. Fuhr was good at doing that.

I liked him in the playoffs. He just hasn't been bringing it this season at all.

 

[Soundwave]

lol. I can't even argue with you there. Produce in those 60 minutes or GTFO. Do what you want outside as long as it doesn't screw your game up. Fuhr was good at doing that.

I liked him in the playoffs. He just hasn't been bringing it this season at all.

Need to have some damn testerone on every good team. People think the 80s Oilers were nice, as if Messier, Anderson, Fuhr, etc. etc. didn't party like rock stars.

A team full of Nugent Hopkins' isn't a good thing either. Yeah it's nice that he's the type of guy that would probably help a old lady unload her groceries, but pro sports is mean and nasty and bad. You need some mofos who have some swagger to be in the fight.

 

[GodPucker]

Need to have some damn testerone on every good team. People think the 80s Oilers were nice, as if Messier, Anderson, Fuhr, etc. etc. didn't party like rock stars.

A team full of Nugent Hopkins' isn't a good thing either. Yeah it's nice that he's the type of guy that would probably help a old lady unload her groceries, but pro sports is mean and nasty and bad. You need some mofos who have some swagger to be in the fight.

We need guys who have "fire" in their bellies. I don't see that with a lot of guys on this roster. Guys who have something to prove and want to show the rest of league how good they can be.

That's what guys like Messier, Gretzky, etc had. Hungry for winning.

 

[Soundwave]

We need guys who have "fire" in their bellies. I don't see that with a lot of guys on this roster. Guys who have something to prove and want to show the rest of league how good they can be.

That's what guys like Messier, Gretzky, etc had. Hungry for winning.

Messier had it. Leon has some of that. Gretzky and Connor are similar, they're quiet, that said Connor is unselfish to the point where even Gretzky had to talk to him about going for goals on an empty net.

Taylor Hall has a whole lotta of Glenn Anderson and some of Messier, but we traded that away.

 

[GodPucker]

Messier had it. Leon has some of that. Gretzky and Connor are similar, they're quiet, that said Connor is unselfish to the point where even Gretzky had to talk to him about going for goals on an empty net.

Taylor Hall has a whole lotta of Glenn Anderson and some of Messier, but we traded that away.

I agree on Taylor Hall. To me he easily had the greatest drive on this team by a mile. In a perfect world we would have kept him and found an upgrade elsewhere.

We basically need to clone Hall's effort and heart into some of our players...

 

[Soundwave]

Clearly there's an issue with Peter Chiarelli and him valuing talent/skill.

This is a guy who has traded all of

Taylor Hall
Tyler Seguin
Blake Wheeler
Phil Kessel

All four of these guys are likely to be on the All-Star team this year. Every single one of them is a PPG player right now. A regular GM might trade one of these players under their watch. But FOUR? Really? We gonna act like this is normal?

This is not a normal GM. He thinks he is smarter/has some magic formula that no one else has and it's dangerous to have a person like this running your team IMO.

He likes grit/toughness/"character" ... but so does Bergevin in Montreal. These guys are dinosaurs in this sport.

 

[GodPucker]

Clearly there's an issue with Peter Chiarelli and him valuing talent/skill.

This is a guy who has traded all of

Taylor Hall
Tyler Seguin
Blake Wheeler
Phil Kessel

All four of these guys are likely to be on the All-Star team this year. Every single one of them is a PPG player right now. A regular GM might trade one of these players under their watch. But FOUR? Really? We gonna act like this is normal?

This is not a normal GM. He thinks he is smarter/has some magic formula that no one else has and it's dangerous to have a person like this running your team IMO.

He likes grit/toughness/"character" ... but so does Bergevin in Montreal. These guys are dinosaurs in this sport.

I see a character pattern with these trades (which I know you don't care about).

 

[King1s]

Where are all those stupid people defending Chiaturd back then now? Hello? Show your faces please.

 

[redgrant]

The only good moves are talbot and maroon.

Let's not kid oursekges Kassian for scrivens is junk for lesser junk. And he's paying him way too much.

Maroon plays with Friggin McDavid ok? How would he look 3rd line we don't know.

That leaves talbot. One bloody trade the idiot was able to win with Sather who loves Edmonton.

Hes been humiliated twice by Gareth snow.

 

[Consultant]

Fire Chia before he can make another move. At minimum recognize that he has a history of horrible, team destroying deals and remove some power from him (give some veto powers to others).
At best, flog him at centre ice.

 

[GMofOilers]

Where are all those stupid people defending Chiaturd back then now? Hello? Show your faces please.

One only stupid people are the ones saying Fire him.

 

[KGM]

As it stands today...

IN:
Larsson
Strome
78th overall
91st overall

OUT:
Hall
Eberle
Yakupov
Schultz
16th overall 2015
33rd overall 2015

Wonder what he gets for RNH next summer?

 

[NeverForget06]

Not to add any more salt to the wound but if it was me, I wouldn't have taken Barzal with that Reinhart pick.

Thomas Chabot would look pretty nice in our top 6 right about now.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Where are all those stupid people defending Chiaturd back then now? Hello? Show your faces please.

right here
he's not getting fired..not now, not at the end of the season
again, he'll get the rest of the year and another summer to right the ship

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

As it stands today...

IN:
Larsson
Strome
78th overall
91st overall

OUT:
Hall
Eberle
Yakupov
Schultz
16th overall 2015
33rd overall 2015

Wonder what he gets for RNH next summer?

where's the trades he made for Talbot Kassian and Maroon...or are you just going to post the bad ones?

 

[NeverForget06]

As it stands today...

IN:
Larsson
Strome
78th overall
91st overall

OUT:
Hall
Eberle
Yakupov
Schultz
16th overall 2015
33rd overall 2015

Wonder what he gets for RNH next summer?

I'm not going to defend Chia, even though I have in the past, but I don't agree with this sort of evaluation.

Although Chia has ZERO responsibility for Leon and Connor, their presence on this team did make some of these trades a little easier to swallow. It is a reality that we were going to have to move 2/3 of the 6 million dollar men to make way for the new contracts of 29 & 97. At least I thought it was, until we paid Lucic the same . I just think these sort of moves do need to be understood in the context of having the best player in the world.

I don't think we saw the Hall or Reinhart trade effect us negatively last year. They shouldn't this year either.

The failure lies in not properly supplementing our top 6 on the wing, signing guys not named McDavid and Drai to big contracts, and not having a plan to replace Sekera in our top 6.

We were a completely different team when he made that Reinhart trade. We had a pretty ridiculous surplus on offence, and our top 6 was in shambles. We didn't even really know whether or not Klefbom would turn out to be the player he is today.

Although the move looks bad now, it did make a little more sense at the time (although not much).

Chia is at least partially responsible for our 103 point season last year, and the amount of change we saw was very impressive. I think it would be hard to disagree with that.

Where he has failed for me is not being able to sustain that team. He built it, at least in part, but it doesn't look like he can keep up with the maintenance.

 

[redgrant]

where's the trades he made for Talbot Kassian and Maroon...or are you just going to post the bad ones?

Come on man. I like a lot of your posts be lets just break down these three.

Yes he did not lose EVERY SINGLE trade. Talbot was a clear win. Lets break down the other 2.

Scrivens steaming hot pile of filthy garbage for Kassian now overpaid less stinky garbage.

Maroon plays with Mcdavid. You rightfully called out the poster omitting "good trades" well are you going to acknolwedge that Maroon is not the world beater he is without Drai and Mcdavid?

How do you think hed look with Letestu or Strome as his centre?

The bum Chiarelli has one clear trade win in Talbot and a bunch of lateral movements in Hall for Larsson best case.

His outright losses are just painful. Reinhart might go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the league. Two first rounders for a prospect that couldnt crack a non-playoff teams lineup. At least get a roster player.