Comparing The Draft 1990-1999

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  1. Richer

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    Here is somthing I did for my own info. I compared the drafts by year between 90-99, by taking the Top 30 player from each year, placing a rating on each player, basically corrosponding to Hockey Furture player ratings, then seeing what draft is the best.

    Here is the Answer

    The Best Year - 1998

    Year Total Avg Top 5 Top 10
    1998 220 7.33 8.3 8.15
    1990 211.5 7.05 9.1 8.55
    1994 210 7 8.2 8
    1991 206.5 6.88 8.8 8.1
    1993 206.5 6.88 8.3 7.85
    1997 204.5 6.82 8.6 8.1
    1992 203.5 6.78 8.1 7.75
    1995 203 6.77 8.5 7.95
    1996 198 6.6 8.2 7.6
    1999 197.5 6.58 7.8 7.4
    AVG 206.1 6.869 8.39 7.945

    The Best Top 5 - 1990

    Year Total Avg Top 5 Top 10
    1990 211.5 7.05 9.1 8.55
    1991 206.5 6.88 8.8 8.1
    1997 204.5 6.82 8.6 8.1
    1995 203 6.77 8.5 7.95
    1998 220 7.33 8.3 8.15
    1993 206.5 6.88 8.3 7.85
    1994 210 7 8.2 8
    1996 198 6.6 8.2 7.6
    1992 203.5 6.78 8.1 7.75
    1999 197.5 6.58 7.8 7.4

    AVG 206.1 6.869 8.39 7.945

    The Best Top 10 - 1990

    Year Total Avg Top 5 Top 10
    1990 211.5 7.05 9.1 8.55
    1998 220 7.33 8.3 8.15
    1991 206.5 6.88 8.8 8.1
    1997 204.5 6.82 8.6 8.1
    1994 210 7 8.2 8
    1995 203 6.77 8.5 7.95
    1993 206.5 6.88 8.3 7.85
    1992 203.5 6.78 8.1 7.75
    1996 198 6.6 8.2 7.6
    1999 197.5 6.58 7.8 7.4

    AVG 206.1 6.869 8.39 7.945
     
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    Here is the raw data

    1990


    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating
    5 Pittsburgh Jaromir Jagr R 10
    20 New Jersey Martin Brodeur G 10
    34 NY Rangers Doug Weight C 8.5
    19 Winnipeg Keith Tkachuk L 8.5
    85 NY Rangers Sergei Zubov D 8.5
    156 Washington Peter Bondra R 8
    7 Los Angeles Darryl Sydor D 8
    1 Quebec Owen Nolan R 8
    3 Detroit Keith Primeau C 8
    2 Vancouver Petr Nedved L 8
    8 Minnesota Derian Hatcher D 8
    133 Los Angeles Robert Lang C 7.5
    36 Hartford Geoff Sanderson L 7
    21 Boston Bryan Smolinski C 7
    77 Winnipeg Alexei Zhamnov C 7
    31 Toronto Felix Potvin G 7
    123 Mtl. Can Craig Conroy C 7
    45 Detroit Vyacheslav Kozlov R 6.5
    244 NY Ran Sergei Nemchinov C 6.5
    40 Philadelphia Mikael Renberg R 6.5
    4 Philadelphia Mike Ricci C 6
    47 Philadelphia Chris Therien D 6
    129 Detroit Jason York D 6
    25 Philadelphia Chris Simon L 6
    53 New Jersey Mike Dunham G 6
    113 Minnesota Roman Turek G 6
    14 Buffalo Brad May L 5
    97 Buffalo Richard Smehlik D 5
    12 Mtl. Can Turner Stevenson R 5
    86 Vancouver Gino Odjick L 5
    Total 211.5
    Average 7.05
    Top 5 AVG 9.1
    Top 10 AVG 8.55
     
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    1991

    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating
    6 Philadelphia Peter Forsberg C 9
    16 Pittsburgh Markus Naslund L 9
    3 NJ Scott Niedermayer D 9
    15 NY Rangers Alexei Kovalev R 8.5
    26 NY Islanders Zigmund Palffy R 8.5
    1 Quebec Eric Lindros C 8
    81 Los Angeles Alexei Zhitnik D 8
    40 Boston Jozef Stumpel C 7
    23 San Jose Ray Whitney L 7
    18 Boston Glen Murray R 7
    20 Edmonton Martin Rucinsky L 7
    59 Hartford Michael Nylander C 7
    11 New Jersey Brian Rolston L 7
    76 Detroit Mike Knuble L 7
    30 San Jose Sandis Ozolinsh D 7
    13 Buffalo Philippe Boucher D 7
    54 Detroit Chris Osgood G 7
    106 Boston Mariusz Czerkawski R 6.5
    47 Toronto Yanic Perreault C 6.5
    58 Washington Steve Konowalchuk L 6
    171 Mtl. Canadiens Brian Savage L 6
    22 Chicago Dean McAmmond L 6
    10 Detroit Martin Lapointe R 6
    27 St. Louis Steve Staios D 6
    122 Philadelphia Dmitri Yushkevich D 6
    8 Minnesota Richard Matvichuk D 6
    203 Winnipeg Igor Ulanov D 6
    4 NY Islanders Scott Lachance D 5.5
    52 Calgary Sandy McCarthy R 5
    123 Buffalo Sean O'Donnell D 5
    Total 206.5
    Average 6.883333333
    Top 5 AVG 8.8
    Top 10 AVG 8.1
     
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    Kinda Crazy to rate Sydor, Zhitnik, Primeau, Nolan, Nedved and Hatcher at an 8 if that is where Lindors rates. Or Bondra for that matter.

    Lindros won the Hart and was probably the best player in the world at some point earlier in his career and if not the best second to Lemieux or Jagr. Lindros is a 9 or 10. Bondra led the legue in goals multiple times he rates higher than an 8 too.

    With this rating system Orr would be an 8.5 becuse he didn't play long enough.

    If you had the choice to draft Zhitkik, Nedved or Lindros who would you draft? Would their even be a choice to be made?
     
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    give me all 4 of the guys rated after Sydor, although maybe not nedved.
     
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    I am using the HF player ranking system, it tends to favor defencemen over top fowards as an 8 is 1-2 defensemen where an 8 is a definiate top line offensive player.

    Don't take the list to say that Sydor is greater than Lindros it would be impossible to make a list like that just take it to say that throughout their careers Lindros has generally been a top line offensive player while Sydor has generally been a top two defensemen. This system gives a little more weight to defensemen because they are harder to develop thus a number two defensemen is probably equal to a top line offensive player.
     
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    There has somebody too much time. ;)
    I guess it's right that americans are statistic freaks.
     
  8. Richer

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    They are all ranked at 8. The reason why Sydor came out on top is because that is how my spreadsheet spit it out. If player are of the same ranking but one is listed higher than the other it doesn't mean that that player should have been taken higher. This is not a mock re-draft just a way to put a number on players too see how the draft as a whole stood up to other drafts.
     
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    1992

    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating
    204 Winnipeg Nikolai Khabibulin G 8.5
    1 Tampa Bay Roman Hamrlik D 8
    2 Ottawa Alexei Yashin C 8
    14 Washington Sergei Gonchar D 8
    88 Minnesota Jere Lehtinen R 8
    5 NY Islanders Darius Kasparaitis D 7.5
    19 Pittsburgh Martin Straka C 7.5
    40 Vancouver Mike Peca C 7.5
    117 Vancouver Adrian Aucoin D 7.5
    18 New Jersey Jason Smith D 7
    48 NY Rangers Mattias Norstrom D 7
    3 San Jose Mike Rathje D 7
    6 Calgary Cory Stillman C 7
    33 Mtl. Canadiens Valeri Bure R 7
    220 Quebec Anson Carter C 7
    68 Mtl. Canadiens Craig Rivet D 7
    52 Quebec Manny FernandezG 7
    238 Detroit Dan McGillis D 6.5
    55 Boston Sergei Zholtok C 6.5
    38 St. Louis Igor Korolev C 6
    65 Edmonton Kirk Maltby L 6
    27 Winnipeg Boris Mironov D 6
    83 Buffalo Matthew Barnaby R 6
    158 St. Louis Ian Laperriere C 6
    78 Calgary Robert Svehla D 6
    46 Detroit Darren McCarty R 6
    186 New Jersey Stephane Yelle C 6
    99 San Jose Marcus Ragnarsson D 6
    135 Los Angeles Rem Murray L 5
    23 Toronto Grant Marshall R 5
    Total 203.5
    Average 6.783333333
    Top 5 AVG 8.1
    Top 10 AVG 7.75
     
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    1993

    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating
    2 Hartford Chris Pronger D 9
    4 Anaheim Paul Kariya L 8.5
    227 Ottawa Pavol Demitra C 8
    23 NY Islanders Todd Bertuzzi L 8
    21 Mtl. Canadiens Saku Koivu C 8
    7 Edmonton Jason Arnott C 8
    40 NY Islanders Bryan McCabe D 8
    111 Edmonton Miroslav Satan L 7
    39 NJ Brendan Morrison C 7
    151 Mtl. Canadiens Darcy Tucker C 7
    3 Tampa Bay Chris Gratton C 7
    17 Washington Jason Allison C 7
    90 Chicago Eric Daze L 7
    36 Philadelphia Janne Niinimaa D 7
    11 Washington Brendan Witt D 7
    71 Philadelphia Vaclav Prospal L 7
    188 Hartford Manny Legace G 7
    41 Florida Kevin Weekes G 7
    12 Toronto Kenny Jonsson D 6.5
    35 Dallas Jamie Langenbrunner C 6.5
    14 Quebec Adam Deadmarsh R 6.5
    124 Vancouver Scott Walker R 6.5
    118 NY Islanders Tommy Salo G 6.5
    10 Quebec Jocelyn Thibault G 6.5
    5 Florida Rob Niedermayer C 6
    32 New Jersey Jay Pandolfo L 6
    164 NY Rangers Todd Marchant L 6
    8 NY Rangers Niklas Sundstrom R 5
    156 Pittsburgh Patrick Lalime G 5
    1 Ottawa Alexandre Daigle R 5
    Total 206.5
    Average 6.883333333
    Top 5 AVG 8.3
    Top 10 AVG 7.85
     
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    1994

    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating
    133 Ottawa Daniel Alfredsson R 8.5
    124 Dallas Marty Turco G 8.5
    1 Florida Ed Jovanovski D 8
    6 Edmonton Ryan Smyth L 8
    51 New Jersey Patrik Elias L 8
    13 Vancouver Mattias Ohlund D 8
    87 Quebec Milan Hejduk R 8
    226 Mtl. Can Tomas Vokoun G 8
    233 NJ Steve Sullivan C 7.5
    44 Mtl. Can Jose Theodore G 7.5
    26 NY Rangers Dan Cloutier G 7.5
    219 San Jose Evgeny Nabokov G 7.5
    2 Anaheim Oleg Tverdovsky D 7
    64 Toronto Fredrik Modin L 7
    249 Washington Richard Zednik R 7
    72 Quebec Chris Drury L 7
    286 NY Rangers Kim Johnsson D 7
    71 New Jersey Sheldon Souray D 7
    11 San Jose Jeff Friesen L 6.5
    3 Ottawa Radek Bonk C 6.5
    5 Hartford Jeff O'Neill C 6.5
    257 Detroit Tomas Holmstrom L 6.5
    256 Toronto Sergei Berezin L 6.5
    49 Detroit Mathieu Dandenault D 6
    14 Chicago Ethan Moreau L 6
    43 Buffalo Curtis Brown L 6
    42 Vancouver Dave Scatchard C 6
    89 San Jose Vaclav Varada L 6
    272 NY Islanders Dick Tarnstrom D 5.5
    17 Buffalo Wayne Primeau C 5
    Total: 210
    Average: 7
    Top 5 AVG 8.2
    Top 10 AVG 8
     
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    1995


    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating
    11 Dallas Jarome Iginla R 9
    116 San Jose Miikka Kiprusoff G 9
    2 NY Islanders Wade Redden D 8.5
    91 NY Rangers Marc Savard C 8
    9 Boston Kyle McLaren D 8
    7 Winnipeg Shane Doan C 7.5
    13 Hartford J-S Giguere G 7.5
    1 Ottawa Bryan Berard D 7.5
    14 Buffalo Jay McKee D 7.5
    18 New Jersey Petr Sykora C 7
    87 Hartford Sami Kapanen L 7
    16 Buffalo Martin Biron G 7
    25 Colorado Marc Denis G 7
    90 San Jose Vesa Toskala G 7
    223 Toronto Danil Markov D 7
    10 Florida Radek Dvorak R 6.5
    5 Tampa Bay Daymond Langkow C 6.5
    101 St. Louis Michal Handzus C 6.5
    49 St. Louis Jochen Hecht C 6.5
    28 NY Islanders Jan Hlavac L 6.5
    128 Pittsburgh Jan Hrdina C 6
    24 Pittsburgh Alexei Morozov R 6
    67 Winnipeg Brad Isbister L 6
    177 Boston P.J. Axelsson L 6
    79 New Jersey Alyn McCauley C 6
    66 Vancouver Peter Schaefer L 6
    31 Edmonton Georges Laraque L 5
    4 Anaheim Chad Kilger C 5
    166 Florida Peter Worrell L 5
    3 Los Angeles Aki-Petteri Berg D 5
    Total 203
    Average 6.766666667
    Top 5 AVG 8.5
    Top 10 AVG 7.95
     
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    1996


    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating
    56 NY Islanders Zdeno Chara D 9
    13 Calgary Derek Morris D 8
    179 Tampa Bay Pavel Kubina D 8
    204 Toronto Tomas Kaberle D 8
    24 Phoenix Daniel Briere C 8
    15 Philadelphia Dainius Zubrus R 7
    21 San Jose Marco Sturm C 7
    9 Anaheim Ruslan Salei D 7
    1 Ottawa Chris Phillips D 7
    59 Edmonton Tom Poti D 7
    79 Colorado Mark Parrish R 7
    3 NY Islanders J.P. Dumont R 7
    27 Buffalo Cory Sarich D 7
    2 San Jose Andrei Zyuzin D 7
    239 Ottawa Sami Salo D 7
    199 New Jersey Willie Mitchell D 7
    139 Phoenix Robert Esche G 6.5
    44 Mtl. Canadiens Mathieu Garon G 6.5
    35 Anaheim Matt Cullen C 6
    43 Washington Jan Bulis C 6
    20 Florida Marcus Nilson R 6
    89 Calgary Toni Lydman D 6
    71 Mtl. Canadiens Arron Asham R 6
    40 Calgary Steve Begin C 6
    195 Edmonton Fernando Pisani L 6
    136 Ottawa Andreas Dackell R 5
    6 Edmonton Boyd Devereaux C 5
    65 Florida Oleg Kvasha L 5
    7 Buffalo Erik Rasmussen C 5
    174 Phoenix Trevor Letowski C 5
    Total 198
    Average 6.6
    Top 5 AVG 8.2
    Top 10 AVG 7.6
     
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    1997

    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating
    1 Boston Joe Thornton C 9
    12 Ottawa Marian Hossa R 9
    4 NY Islanders Roberto Luongo G 9
    2 San Jose Patrick Marleau C 8
    3 Los Angeles Olli Jokinen C 8
    8 Boston Sergei Samsonov L 8
    23 San Jose Scott Hannan D 8
    177 St. Louis Ladislav Nagy C 8
    5 NY Islanders Eric Brewer D 7
    25 Dallas Brenden Morrow L 7
    69 Buffalo Maxim Afinogenov R 7
    130 Chicago Kyle Calder L 7
    229 Ottawa Karel Rachunek D 7
    9 Washington Nick Boynton D 7
    55 Colorado Rick Berry D 7
    21 Buffalo Mika Noronen G 7
    136 NY Rangers Mike York C 6.5
    47 Florida Kristian Huselius R 6.5
    161 Colorado David Aebischer G 6.5
    119 Ottawa Magnus Arvedson L 6
    144 Vancouver Matt Cooke L 6
    7 Tampa Bay Paul Mara D 6
    13 Chicago Daniel Cleary L 6
    78 Colorado Ville Nieminen L 6
    208 Pittsburgh Andrew Ference D 6
    10 Vancouver Brad Ference D 6
    191 Boston Antti Laaksonen L 5
    88 Carolina Shane Willis W 5
    11 Mtl. Canadiens Jason Ward R 5
    58 Ottawa Jani Hurme G 5
    Total 204.5
    Average 6.816666667
    Top 5 AVG 8.6
    Top 10 AVG 8.1
     
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    1998


    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating
    64 Tampa Bay Brad Richards C 9
    1 Tampa Bay Vincent Lecavalier C 8.5
    27 New Jersey Scott Gomez C 8
    12 Colorado Alex Tanguay C 8
    19 Colorado Robyn Regehr D 8
    22 Philadelphia Simon Gagne C 8
    162 Mtl. Canadiens Andrei Markov D 8
    171 Detroit Pavel Datsyuk C 8
    82 New Jersey Brian Gionta R 8
    29 San Jose Jonathan Cheechoo R 8
    3 San Jose Brad Stuart D 7.5
    71 Carolina Erik Cole L 7.5
    117 Florida Jaroslav Spacek D 7
    2 Nashville David Legwand C 7
    5 Anaheim Vitali Vishnevsky D 7
    99 Edmonton Shawn Horcoff C 7
    8 Chicago Mark Bell C 7
    44 Ottawa Mike Fisher C 7
    45 Mtl. Canadiens Mike Ribeiro C 7
    183 Chicago Tyler Arnason C 7
    26 New Jersey Mike Van Ryn D 7
    164 Buffalo Ales Kotalik R 7
    4 Vancouver Bryan Allen D 7
    216 Mtl. Canadiens Michael Ryder L 7
    75 Mtl. Canadiens Francois Beauchemin D 7
    145 San Jose Mikael Samuelsson R 6.5
    173 Dallas Niko Kapanen C 6.5
    87 Toronto Alexei Ponikarovsky C 6.5
    150 Anaheim Trent Hunter R 6.5
    135 Boston Andrew Raycroft G 6.5
    Total 220
    Average 7.333333333
    Top 5 AVG 8.3
    Top 10 AVG 8.15
     
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    1999


    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating
    26 Ottawa Martin Havlat L 8
    210 Detroit Henrik Zetterberg L 8
    138 Buffalo Ryan Miller G 8
    3 Vancouver Henrik Sedin C 7.5
    2 Vancouver Daniel Sedin L 7.5
    5 NY Islanders Tim Connolly C 7
    83 Anaheim Niclas Havelid D 7
    76 Los Angeles Frantisek Kaberle D 7
    91 Edmonton Mike Comrie C 7
    191 Nashville Martin Erat L 7
    44 Anaheim Jordan Leopold D 7
    17 St. Louis Barret Jackman D 7
    115 Pittsburgh Ryan Malone F 7
    40 Florida Alex Auld G 7
    21 Boston Nick Boynton D 6.5
    212 Colorado Radim Vrbata R 6.5
    11 Calgary Oleg Saprykin L 6.5
    1 Atlanta Patrik Stefan C 6
    16 Carolina Dave Tanabe D 6
    232 St. Louis Alexander Khavanov D 6
    8 NY Islanders Taylor Pyatt L 6
    52 Nashville Adam Hall F 6
    23 Chicago Steve McCarthy D 6
    9 NY Rangers Jamie Lundmark C 6
    101 NY Islanders Juraj Kolnik R 6
    217 Atlanta Garnet Exelby D 6
    204 Pittsburgh Tom Kostopoulos R 6
    42 New Jersey Mike Commodore D 6
    70 Florida Niklas Hagman L 5
    155 San Jose Niko Dimitrakos W 5
    Total 197.5
    Average 6.583333333
    Top 5 AVG 7.8
    Top 10 AVG 7.4
     
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    Are you rating players on their careers or what they are right now? I mean Zhamnov is hardly a 5 anymore, whereas Slava Kozlov is a 6.5 now, but in his day he was a legit 1st liner and absolutely amazing (especially pre-accident).
     
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    There is not a hard or fast rule exactly, it does get trickier espically when you get closer to 1999, as some guys haven't been through 1/4 of their careers. But basically I tried to give a rating based on what they were for the majority of their career. This doesn't really work as well for younger players so there ranking are more closely aligned with what they are today. This does sqew the numbers because who knows, Micheal Ryder could go on to be a consistent 40 goal scorer for the next six year making him an 8 or he could do a Brian Savage and become a 5 or 6 for his career
     
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    I really question some of your rankings.

    This is how Hockey's future defines a 9
    9 - Elite forward / defenseman / goaltender -- possesses the potential for greatness, a perennial All-Star throughout his career. Think Joe Sakic, Jeremy Roenick, Niklas Lidstrom, Rob Blake, Dominik Hasek, Martin Brodeur.

    If Roenick is a 9 then for sure Kariya and Lindros and Elias and Bondra are a 9. For sure.
     
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    My ratings after yours... I find your ratings too low for established players. I think you are downgrading players on their performances now 16 years after the draft. If a player is still in the NHL 16 years after they are drafted that is huge. If a player peaked at being a #1 forward for 7 or 8 seasons and is now regressing to be less effective at 33, 34 years old that is what you would expect.


    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating[/B]
    5 Pittsburgh Jaromir Jagr R 10 10
    20 New Jersey Martin Brodeur G 10 10
    34 NY Rangers Doug Weight C 8.5 9
    19 Winnipeg Keith Tkachuk L 8.5 9
    85 NY Rangers Sergei Zubov D 8.5 9
    156 Washington Peter Bondra R 8 9
    7 Los Angeles Darryl Sydor D 8 7
    1 Quebec Owen Nolan R 8 8
    3 Detroit Keith Primeau C 8 8
    2 Vancouver Petr Nedved L 8 8
    8 Minnesota Derian Hatcher D 8 8
    133 Los Angeles Robert Lang C 7.5 7
    36 Hartford Geoff Sanderson L 7 7
    21 Boston Bryan Smolinski C 7 7
    77 Winnipeg Alexei Zhamnov C 7 8
    31 Toronto Felix Potvin G 7 8
    123 Mtl. Can Craig Conroy C 7 7
    45 Detroit Vyacheslav Kozlov R 6.5 7
    244 NY Ran Sergei Nemchinov C 6.5 6
    40 Philadelphia Mikael Renberg R 6.5 7
    4 Philadelphia Mike Ricci C 6 7.5
    47 Philadelphia Chris Therien D 6 6.5
    129 Detroit Jason York D 6 7
    25 Philadelphia Chris Simon L 6 6
    53 New Jersey Mike Dunham G 6 7
    113 Minnesota Roman Turek G 6 7
    14 Buffalo Brad May L 5 6
    97 Buffalo Richard Smehlik D 5 6
    12 Mtl. Can Turner Stevenson R 5 5
    86 Vancouver Gino Odjick L 5 5
     
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    Yeah...and Jagr at 10, but Forsberg at 9 :confused:
     
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    My rankings after yours

    Num. Drafted By Player Pos Rating[/B]
    6 Philadelphia Peter Forsberg C 9 9.5
    16 Pittsburgh Markus Naslund L 9 9
    3 NJ Scott Niedermayer D 9 9
    15 NY Rangers Alexei Kovalev R 8.5 8
    26 NY Islanders Zigmund Palffy R 8.5 8.5
    1 Quebec Eric Lindros C 8 9
    81 Los Angeles Alexei Zhitnik D 8 8
    40 Boston Jozef Stumpel C 7 7
    23 San Jose Ray Whitney L 7 7
    18 Boston Glen Murray R 7 8
    20 Edmonton Martin Rucinsky L 7 7
    59 Hartford Michael Nylander C 7 7
    11 New Jersey Brian Rolston L 7 7
    76 Detroit Mike Knuble L 7 7
    30 San Jose Sandis Ozolinsh D 7 8
    13 Buffalo Philippe Boucher D 7 7
    54 Detroit Chris Osgood G 7 7
    106 Boston Mariusz Czerkawski R 6.5 7
    47 Toronto Yanic Perreault C 6.5 7
    58 Washington Steve Konowalchuk L 6 6
    171 Mtl. Canadiens Brian Savage L 6 6
    22 Chicago Dean McAmmond L 6 6
    10 Detroit Martin Lapointe R 6 7
    27 St. Louis Steve Staios D 6 6
    122 Philadelphia Dmitri Yushkevich D 6 8
    8 Minnesota Richard Matvichuk D 6 7
    203 Winnipeg Igor Ulanov D 6 6
    4 NY Islanders Scott Lachance D 5.5 6
    52 Calgary Sandy McCarthy R 5 5
    123 Buffalo Sean O'Donnell D 5 6
     
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    I placed Jagr and Brodeur at 10 because I consider them a step above the rest. Mabye this isn't true mabye you can fit Foresberg in there as well. For me you can't he is a great player but hasn't accomplished what Jagr has. If Brodeur isn't a generational goalie talent then I don't know who is.

    Please note this is besides the point, mabye some ratings can be tweaked but for every person who says Lindros is a 9 you will find someone who says he is a 7. But the point is to measure the whole draft, I don't think my rating are so far off as they don't tell a decent story of what draft was better.

    Here is what my ranking mean

    10- Generational Talent, not many of these people.
    9- Elite Foward, D-man, goalie
    8.5 - An elite player who for some reason, injury, or lack of something in his game is not quite a 9, or the converse a 8 but through consistent production and great play merits a distincition above an 8.
    8 - A top line, great offensive foward, always on the top line and usually at the top of the team scoring charts, or a great defensmen who would be a number one on most teams or a number two on a great team, or a number one goalie.
    7.5- see 8.5 as basically the same principal applies
    7- A scoring line foward, someone who produces consistently and could have been a top forward on a weak team, or a 3-4 defensmen who can be a 3-4 on most teams. A number one goalie that teams would ideally like to upgrade if they could.
    6.5- Basically a forward or d-man who hovers around a seven but for some reason or other has not achieved at a consistent level. Or a goalie that has been somewhere between a decent number one and a backup/goalie on the rocks.
    6- A defensive forward/ energy forward, or a 5-6 defensmen, I may have put some non defensive forwards in here as they don't really fit in anywhere else but are also not a 4 liner in and out of the lineup. Backup Goalie
    5.5 - basically a player that hovers around being a third liner but has not really been albe to stay at this level a majority of their career.
    5- Fourth liners, Enforcers, 7th defensmen, depth goalies.
     
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    Anyone who thinks Lindros is a 7 has no business ranking hockey players. The choice is whether Lindros is a 10 or a 9 not whether he is an 8 or a 7.

    Lindros got a concussion. 5 years into his career he was 3rd All-time in points per game average. Above Bossy, Orr, Howe. Third to Lemieux and Gretzky.

    Consider his 8 seasons in Philadelphia. He missed 140 games in those 8 seasons (17.5 games a season)

    But these are his pro-rated totals if he had played a full season.
    92-93 56 goals 103 points
    93-94 57 125
    94-95 (with 82 game schedule and no lockout) 52 125
    95-96 53 129
    96-97 50 125
    97-98 39 92
    98-99 46 107
    99-00 40 88

    average 49 goals 112 points.

    Consider Jagr's prorated points over the same 8 seasons. (Jagr's 3rd to 10th years) Jagr missed 51 games.
    35 goals 97 points
    34 104
    54 120
    62 149
    61 124
    37 109
    45 129
    55 125

    average 48 goals 120 points

    Or Sakic over the same stretch and he was in his true prime. (and missed 73 games)
    52 113
    28 92
    33 108
    51 120
    28 93
    35 81
    46 107
    38 104
    average 39 goals 102 points

    Lindros was the best player in the world from 92-93 through 96-97 with the exception of Mario Lemieux who missed a season and only played 22 games in another. Lindros for 5 years was the 2nd best player in the world. I am not even a fan of Lindros but it is a fact that at the time the media, NHL players, hockey writers, the general public... The entire hockey community considered this to be true. Though Lindros had many detractors for his contract disputes, sitting out on Quebec, his injuries etc. And later concussions derailed his career. But if you are considered for a 5 year stretch the best or second best player in the entire world then that is enough to make you nearly a generational talent and if not that certainly a 9 as an elite forward.

    Even after having his career decimated by injury per 82 games he currently is averaging 42 goals and 97 points for his career. He has played 711 NHL games. Forsberg who was drafted the same season has only played 640. And Forsberg has averaged 30 goals and 105 points per 82 games.

    Over 82 games for their careers Sakic averages 38 goals and 99 points, Yzerman 37 goals and 95 points.

    Clearly you have some kind of bias against Lindros. But ranking Brad Richards and Marian Hossa as a 9 while Lindros is rated an 8 makes your rankings appear biased.

    Maybe you are only 17 years old and can't remember it or something but Lindros was the real deal. He was bigger and tougher and powerful force that was unique.

    Consider Alfredsson (my favorite player) you rate him an 8.5 and Lindros an 8. Alfredsson has had his own injury issues like Lindros. Alfie has played 706 NHL games. Scoring 262 goals and 672 points. Lindros has played 711 games and scored 367 goals and 839 points. Alfredsson has never been considered the best or one of the best players in the world except perhaps midway through this season. Lindros was considered one of the best players in the world before he even played an NHL game and he continued to be considered one of the best players for 6 or 7 years.

    There is no way Alfredsson can be considered better than Lindros for his career. No way. And I don't even like Lindros much and Alfie is my favorite player.
     
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    A very interesting read. We won't agree on all points, but my ratings would have come out somewhat similar. I would say 1990 and 1993 would be the two best drafts, followed by 1995 and 1998. A lot of people might be surprised to see how low the 1997 draft is, considering the number of star players selected that year, but it was a very top-heavy draft with little depth beyond the top 12 or so players. The one area that I will definitely agree with: 1992, 1996 and 1999 were the three worst drafts of that decade. All were dogs. Three of the worst drafts ever.
     

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