Shadder said:
While I agree with you, I also think that there is much more to it than that. You have to factor other things into the mix such as jersey sales as just one example. I seem to recall seeing something that had those stats, not just jerseys but overall team stuff that put the Wings on top of the league in overall sales.
You might also want to take a look at how a given team draws on the road. For example, two years ago the Wings paid a visit to Atlanta to play the Thrashers. The entire arena was a sea of red and white . You would have thought that you were at the Joe. Granted a large part of the pouplation of Atlanta is made up of midwestern transplants but still that was one of the few sell outs the Thrashers had that season.
flyers fans are common theme in all arenas around the league as well. detroit is the winner in the number of US fans, which is why they are on ESPN constantly. the last i saw the flyers draw the second best national rating (which is why the detroit/philly final was the networks wet-dream). i must admit i don't pay close attention to such things, nor am i saying that the avs aren't a strong market.
the problem with jersey sales and all that stuff is that you begin to hit into the wealth of the people in the area, and which area has a better per capita income. this is where i would imagine a team like denver does VERY well... obviously a very good place in terms of avg. income i would imagine... where as we are hurting a bit here in philly.
i already put forward that i think the avs are going to be absolutely fine, in fact i think they are a midwestern flyers. by that i mean a franchise that enjoyed immediate and sustained success that allows the market to build around a winner, rather than a struggling team. once people are fans they are fans, something i believe firmly. if you give your heart to something and you are a true sports fan, that doesn't disappear in the lean years... so the avs will be fine.
the one tv-rating from last year that i do know is that philly was the 2nd strongest tv market in the stanley cup finals last year, which makes sense considering how painfully close we were... again.
someone, somewhere posted that in overall fiscal stuff it was toronto at no. 1 followed by philly. it on here somewhere, no idea what numbers they were using. needless to say, the avs, flyers, and wings are NOT the problem with the NHL right now.