Cogliano v Oshie

[SeaBasstian]

well, may be a homer opinion, but i think oshie will do a little better. he is playing already with other future NHLers, top quality future NHLers, and he does AMAZINGLY well. he has amazing vision, and can finish very well.....i dont remember the rules on posting videos, so i guess until someone tells me i can;t (if that is the case) here is an example of how Oshie has great vision. watch how he falls and still passes it dead on to Ryan Duncan:

http://s25.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/FridayDenverGoal2-DuncanReplay.flv

here is a great single effort for a sweet backhander:
http://s25.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/MavericksFridayGoal2-Oshie.flv

Right place, right time:
http://s25.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/GophersSaturdayGoal6-Oshie.flv

Beautiful tip in from Toews:
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=GophersSaturdayGoal7-Oshie.flv

Gets the rebound and puts it in on the backhand:
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=BemidjiSaturdayGoal2-Oshie.flv

Steals the puck and gets the breakaway, stuffs it in.....this is from spring 2006:
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=OshieDen06.flv

He steals the puck, has a breakaway but doesnt put it in this time, but gets the puck back and makes a beautiful pass to following Toews:
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=MavericksFridayGoal8-Toews.flv

Here is an oshie snipe from last season
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=OshieSCSU06.flv

Another great one to show his vision:
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=MavericksPlayoffsFriday-Goal1-Oshie.flv

enjoy these, and if anyone has any of Cogs, please post them....

 

[ndhockey21]

Oshie is 5'11 or 6 no shorter no taller.

 

[BleedBlue99]

Ive watched Cogliano all year and I must say that he is our best forward behind Hensick. Cogs has 23 goals this season and leads the team. Is that a lack of finish? Oshie had 24 his freshman year, but now has 12, at least Cogs is progressing as the years pass. He had 6 points last weekend, and him and Hensik stole the show the entire game. The scary thing is that if he had linemates that could score his numbers would be ridiculous. He plays with Chris Summers who is a defenceman, and Chad Kolarik who is a perimeter player that has 16 goals this year. The important thing is that Kolarik has taken 150 shots, were Cogliano has only taken shots ranging in the 80's. He is also on the 2nd pp and has a short stint with the 1st unit. Im sure if Cogliano played with Toews and Duncan his point totals would be unlimited. He has 47 points in 35 games, nothing to complain about. It's not his offense that needs work but just he just needs to realize that to be more effective you must stop and start on the puck. Cogs is doing great, and he will continue to

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Cogliano, can't get any faster, and he has top notch hands and vision.

That's pretty far off. The guy's vision is what's holding him back. His mind CANNOT keep up with his body. He doesn't think out there and since his hockey instincts aren't all world, he makes a lot of stupid errors.

I mean, the guy will be better than Rico Fata, but thus far he's been a major disappointment in his overall development. I think that most people missed the vision aspect of his game since he was a dominating player in his junior league -- playing against a lot of guys who couldn't hold his jock strap. Now that he's in a faster, bigger, better league, he simply can't do what he's always done. Now, he's had a solid college career thus far, but you can really tell that he struggles out there a lot of times on the ice.

I like his skills, but if he wants to be a top line player (or even a 2nd liner), he really needs to get his head into his game.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Hey, I'm not bashing Oshie. I think both will end up good 2nd line players. I just don't think Cogs fits the "old hands don't keep up with the feet" addage, cause it obviously isn't true. He has put up big points at every level of play so far

So did Rico Fata. He could do it everywhere accept the NHL.

 

[Traktor*]

That's pretty far off. The guy's vision is what's holding him back. His mind CANNOT keep up with his body. He doesn't think out there and since his hockey instincts aren't all world, he makes a lot of stupid errors.

I mean, the guy will be better than Rico Fata, but thus far he's been a major disappointment in his overall development. I think that most people missed the vision aspect of his game since he was a dominating player in his junior league -- playing against a lot of guys who couldn't hold his jock strap. Now that he's in a faster, bigger, better league, he simply can't do what he's always done. Now, he's had a solid college career thus far, but you can really tell that he struggles out there a lot of times on the ice.

I like his skills, but if he wants to be a top line player (or even a 2nd liner), he really needs to get his head into his game.

I disagree with almost everything you just said, a regular occurrence I must say. Thanks for your 2 cents though

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I disagree with almost everything you just said, a regular occurrence I must say. Thanks for your 2 cents though

How often do you watch him? I watch Michigan play as much as possible and I've never seen anything in his game to warrant being a first round pick outside of his speed.

 

[Traktor*]

How often do you watch him? I watch Michigan play as much as possible and I've never seen anything in his game to warrant being a first round pick outside of his speed.

I Watched him live in Calgary up close at WJC camp. I've watched around 5-7Michigan games him this year on the internet. Your not the only person to think he lacks finish though, but like I said I disagree with that.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I Watched him live in Calgary up close at WJC camp. I've watched around 5-7Michigan games him this year on the internet. Your not the only person to think he lacks finish though, but like I said I disagree with that.

His game has never been finishing. He doesn't have a great shot. He's always been looked at as a set-up guy, but the problem is that his passing is only average. He's able to score more goals at the lower level simply because it IS a lower level. He doesn't have a scary shot that's going to beat many NHL goalies.

I mean, I don't see where people get that the guy can be a finisher at the NHL level. He's scored a little bit at the college level, but against better competition he's going to have to really work on his shooting if he ever wants to be more than a 15-20 goal scorer at the NHL level.

He just simply does not have the puck skills or the smarts needed to be a top line player at the next level.

An honest question: What makes you think he HAS finish that will somehow translate to the NHL level?

 

[Form and Substance]

His game has never been finishing. He doesn't have a great shot. He's always been looked at as a set-up guy, but the problem is that his passing is only average. He's able to score more goals at the lower level simply because it IS a lower level. He doesn't have a scary shot that's going to beat many NHL goalies.

I mean, I don't see where people get that the guy can be a finisher at the NHL level. He's scored a little bit at the college level, but against better competition he's going to have to really work on his shooting if he ever wants to be more than a 15-20 goal scorer at the NHL level.

He just simply does not have the puck skills or the smarts needed to be a top line player at the next level.

An honest question: What makes you think he HAS finish that will somehow translate to the NHL level?

Nice understatement. And you went crazy over Marcel Hossa's 18 pt production. I do agree however that Cogs will struggle at the next level.

 

[petrklima85]

So when is TJO coming out of school. Will the Blues have him and EJ in their line-up next season ??

 

[SeaBasstian]

So when is TJO coming out of school. Will the Blues have him and EJ in their line-up next season ??

actually, i wouldnt be surprised to see Oshie and EJ on the Blues next season, at LEAST in preseason, but i think they both will make it throguh the camps.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Nice understatement. And you went crazy over Marcel Hossa's 18 pt production. I do agree however that Cogs will struggle at the next level.

Jesus Christ. I watch the kid play all the time. I'm not understating anything. His numbers aren't mindblowingly awesome. They are solid for a 1st round pick, but aren't anything super special.

How is that hard to understand?

 

[milieu bluez]

well, may be a homer opinion, but i think oshie will do a little better. he is playing already with other future NHLers, top quality future NHLers, and he does AMAZINGLY well. he has amazing vision, and can finish very well.....i dont remember the rules on posting videos, so i guess until someone tells me i can;t (if that is the case) here is an example of how Oshie has great vision. watch how he falls and still passes it dead on to Ryan Duncan:

http://s25.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/FridayDenverGoal2-DuncanReplay.flv

here is a great single effort for a sweet backhander:
http://s25.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/MavericksFridayGoal2-Oshie.flv

Right place, right time:
http://s25.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/GophersSaturdayGoal6-Oshie.flv

Beautiful tip in from Toews:
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=GophersSaturdayGoal7-Oshie.flv

Gets the rebound and puts it in on the backhand:
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=BemidjiSaturdayGoal2-Oshie.flv

Steals the puck and gets the breakaway, stuffs it in.....this is from spring 2006:
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=OshieDen06.flv

He steals the puck, has a breakaway but doesnt put it in this time, but gets the puck back and makes a beautiful pass to following Toews:
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=MavericksFridayGoal8-Toews.flv

Here is an oshie snipe from last season
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=OshieSCSU06.flv

Another great one to show his vision:
http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/RedFrogND/?action=view&current=MavericksPlayoffsFriday-Goal1-Oshie.flv

enjoy these, and if anyone has any of Cogs, please post them....

Thanks for the links

 

[helicecopter]

Oshie.

 

[oil slick]

Jesus Christ. I watch the kid play all the time. I'm not understating anything. His numbers aren't mindblowingly awesome. They are solid for a 1st round pick, but aren't anything super special.

How is that hard to understand?

Couldn't all these things be applied to Oshie as well? Don't get me wrong, I'm actually not expecting more than a Marchant type presence from Cogs, but still if the comparison is between him and Oshie, I don't understand what Oshie has done to merit more.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I'm not as negative (realistic?) about Cogliano as Jon, but I would agree he isn't a sure bet to repeat his college success at the NHL level. The speed is definately there, but the shot isn't. He's also not the most creative player in the world. I would compare him to Todd Marchant in a lot of ways. Smallish speedster who can pot 25 goals in a good year and can be a solid contributor on the second or third line and the PK.

 

[s7ark]

Couldn't all these things be applied to Oshie as well? Don't get me wrong, I'm actually not expecting more than a Marchant type presence from Cogs, but still if the comparison is between him and Oshie, I don't understand what Oshie has done to merit more.

Pssst, he's not an Oiler pick

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Couldn't all these things be applied to Oshie as well? Don't get me wrong, I'm actually not expecting more than a Marchant type presence from Cogs, but still if the comparison is between him and Oshie, I don't understand what Oshie has done to merit more.

Oshie's a bit more skilled than Cogliano and has a lot more jam to his game. I don't think either will be frontliners in the NHL, but IMO Oshie has a better chance to play on a scoring line and on the PP.

 

[oil slick]

Oshie's a bit more skilled than Cogliano and has a lot more jam to his game. I don't think either will be frontliners in the NHL, but IMO Oshie has a better chance to play on a scoring line and on the PP.

True - but the Marchants of the world are very very useful players... I would say at least as useful as the scoring line players (that aren't star players). I guess my point is - I don't see Oshie as being that star offensive player, so I'm not sure how one is really predicted to have a "better NHL career".

 

[espo*]

I'd agree with both sides in the Cogliano debate here.His hands and goal scoring abilities are'nt what i would call elite level at all but they are better then what some people are making them out to be i think.Todd Marchant? He has the potenial to turn out to be a more dangerous offensive threat then a guy like marchant (who has no hands whatsoever) I'd disagree that's a good comparison. he does need to improve his shot (can be done with work) and while his playmaking abilite are never going to be confused with Sidney crosby's,they certainly are'nt going to be confused with Todd Marchants either IMO.

I do think oshie has a game that can translate into a more productive nhl career however,i think he'll at the very least make a better impact quicker then Cog's.But Cogliano has some game and it can be developed further,i would'nt write him off at all.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

True - but the Marchants of the world are very very useful players... I would say at least as useful as the scoring line players (that aren't star players). I guess my point is - I don't see Oshie as being that star offensive player, so I'm not sure how one is really predicted to have a "better NHL career".

I'm not saying Cogs won't be a useful player-he will. I just don't think he'll be a scoring star at the NHL level. IMO Oshie has the skill and jam to be that kind of player at the next level, but he also has more of a bust factor because he doesn't have the "x" factor Cogs has-the great skating.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I'd agree with both sides in the Cogliano debate here.His hands and goal scoring abilities are'nt what i would call elite level at all but they are better then what some people are making them out to be i think.Todd Marchant? He has the potenial to turn out to be a more dangerous offensive threat then a guy like marchant (who has no hands whatsoever) I'd disagree that's a good comparison. he does need to improve his shot (can be done with work) and while his playmaking abilite are never going to be confused with Sidney crosby's,they certainly are'nt going to be confused with Todd Marchants either IMO.

I do think oshie has a game that can translate into a more productive nhl career however,i think he'll at the very least make a better impact quicker then Cog's.But Cogliano has some game and it can be developed further,i would'nt write him off at all.

I take it you didn't see much of Marchant in college? He was a better than a PPG player who was able to take the puck coast to coast against inferior competition. That's what Cogliano does now. I would agree that his hands are better than Marchant's, but I think his transition to and effectiveness in the pros will be similar.

 

[espo*]

I'm not sure Oshie has scoring star potential for the NHL either.Maybe a 30 goal-60 point guy but i would'nt call that a scoring star. i see him more as a 2nd tier offensive guy with other intangibles to his game like down low puck possesion productivity.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I'm not sure Oshie has scoring star potential for the NHL either.Maybe a 30 goal-60 point guy but i would'nt call that a scoring star. i see him more as a 2nd tier offensive guy with other intangibles to his game like down low puck possesion productivity.

I don't think he'll be a scoring star either, but he'll be given every chance with the Blues to be one. I definately expect him to develop into a PPG game player over time. He reminds me of a more gritty Daniel Briere.