Pez68
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A small portion after 2010 at most. Stan was forced to rebuild the team dues to Tallon.
Lets also not forget Tallon wanted Havlat over Hossa. If that happens there are zero cups imo.
Bingo.
A small portion after 2010 at most. Stan was forced to rebuild the team dues to Tallon.
Lets also not forget Tallon wanted Havlat over Hossa. If that happens there are zero cups imo.
correct and i totally forgot about him..... good catchYou mean Mike Smith
but wasn't he the gm on the first SC ??A small portion after 2010 at most. Stan was forced to rebuild the team dues to Tallon.
Lets also not forget Tallon wanted Havlat over Hossa. If that happens there are zero cups imo.
The Bickell trade has been mentioned. Root Cause of that trade was overpaying Bickell at the time.....before his illness was even an issue. Stan was on a Cup high giving millions away there.
Stan took over in July 2009. He was the GM.but wasn't he the gm on the first SC ??
Stan had a big role in the 2010 team as well. He had major gigs in the organization for a decade prior to his promotion, so it's not like he had nothing to do for 2010. That being said, Tallon definitely deserves the lion's share of credit for 2010, but it's not like Bowman was just some random joe that lucked into a great position.
To put Bickell on Stan is crazy talk. He signed a key player in delivering the 2013 cup who immediately fell off a cliff. There constant posts over the course of the next several years on here questioning what the hell was wrong with the guy. There were moments on the ice where he couldn't even stay on his skates. No one knew what was going on. Turned out the guy had MS. I question your level of empathy if you don't understand what kind of impact that has on someones life.
If you could have predicted his fate you should be curing cancer let alone being a GM of a hockey team.
Bickell was a risky contract before the MS was an issue. Go back and look at the signing thread. I've linked it several times.
the main thing that keeps coming to my mind was the day before draft day trade that would have sent BB to Arz and at the last second, SB went in and asked for more than a 3rd i believe that Arz was offering.I agree with that, but I don't think you can separate it from the MS issue either. I'll put it this way. Bickell is probably overpaid 1-1.5 if he doesn't make any significant jump on what he had done to that point. I agree, that's probably how it would have played out, without the MS. But that wouldn't have cost you Tuevo to get rid of him, if he doesn't get MS and that's the real issue.
the main thing that keeps coming to my mind was the day before draft day trade that would have sent BB to Arz and at the last second, SB went in and asked for more than a 3rd i believe that Arz was offering.
i posted the link before with an discussion with BK, i am not going to go and look for it again.Source?
here is one link that mention the rumor. i do not know if i can find the one with the failed trade.i posted the link before with an discussion with BK, i am not going to go and look for it again.
Agreed, especially on the empathy part. Hawks had a lot of bad juju around them followed by a ton of good juju and now some bad juju again. Better to be in the loop than out I say. The only way to fight through the bad times is to keep fighting. It’s been bad though, BB falls off the cliff, Seabs falls off the cliff, Hossa can’t play anymore, Toews and Keith declining unexpectedly young. We’re paying a very heavy price. One can only hope something very good is in the brew, hopefully a top 5 pick.
Stay positive, it’s not any one person’s fault everything fell apart. This is not the time to look for a scapegoat. We just need to take a step back, be honest about what we have going good and what the problems are and solve them pragmatically. Stan is doing that. This stuff takes time to recover from. I’m just really hoping part of what is coming is a bottom finish and a top pick. We need someone(s) new and exciting to join this team and rejuvenate it.
I envision Toews and Kane doing what Thornton and Marleau could not, complementing and at times carrying a new young Blackhawks team to a Cup. There is a lot to be positive about during this tough season. Debrincat is going to be a perennial 30 goal man and he is only 19. Schmaltz is a legit top 6 player with room to grow. Forsling is going to be a top 4 D-man who puts up impressive point totals and he is very young too. Forsberg shows promise in goal. The system is flush with talent, particularly on D. Good things are happpening and better things are coming. Patience is the key. You can’t rush success, it’s a snowball that builds in momentum and size and it’s happening for us. We’re still very lucky that we have the team we have.
Bicks looked like a guy who would flourish. He was fairly young, talented and --- at the time when it was assumed that he was healthy --- the payment was only modestly inflated (actually not bad at all). it turned out that Bicks was sick, he did not play to his potential because he was sick and the deal looked bad in view of that. That is, the Bicks deal was "bad" only in that the guy got bad sick --- no one could predict that.
Fire Kevin Dineen. The guy is just throwing **** at the wall at this point. Has no clue what he’s watching.
i have no clue in what he is trying to achieve in PP2.....
really, i thought Rutta and here i would have a problem. i know that sharp would be the other d-man on this line, but maybe hayden, hino or hell another d-man to compliment rutta.PP2 makes more sense than PP1....