Coach John Hynes Discussion

[NjDevsRR]

I do get excited over the idea of a Coach Q or Barry Trotz in NJ, but I honestly do agree with this as well.

Not saying I think Hynes should be fired, but if he's gone after this season for an established coach, woo boy.

I do not mind that as well. But he is not the issue right now. The players are not getting the job done even when they are controlling the game.

 

[New Jersey]

I do not mind that as well. But he is not the issue right now. The players are not getting the job done even when they are controlling the game.

yeah I really have nothing else to add to this thread now. pretty spot on.

 

[MartyOwns]

i've seen trotz's name floated for a few weeks now (and not just on here). why is that? is his contract up after this year? seems like the caps would be stupid to let him go...

 

[Bleedred]

i've seen trotz's name floated for a few weeks now (and not just on here). why is that? is his contract up after this year? seems like the caps would be stupid to let him go...

Yup

His contract is up after this year.

He's not a bad coach, but when you look at his resume, he hasn't been past the second round of the playoffs once in his career. I think he's one of two active head coaches that are currently employed as a head coach with an NHL team, who has been a head coach for more than 5 years, who has yet to be in the conference finals. Mike Yeo is the other one and he's only coached for only 6 years now. Trotz has been an NHL head coach every year for 20 years now.

 

[MartyOwns]

Yup

His contract is up after this year.

He's not a bad coach, but when you look at his resume, he hasn't been past the second round of the playoffs once in his career. I think he's one of two active head coaches that are currently employed as a head coach with an NHL team, who has been a head coach for more than 5 years, who has yet to be in the conference finals. Mike Yeo is the other one and he's only coached for only 6 years now. Trotz has been an NHL head coach every year for 20 years now.

ok makes sense, thanks. i get that he's unproven in the playoffs, but if he's available next year (doubt he will be) he should get a look.

if hynes is out, i would want one of (in no particular order): vigneault, trotz, eakins or quenneville

 

[Bleedred]

ok makes sense, thanks. i get that he's unproven in the playoffs, but if he's available next year (doubt he will be) he should get a look.

if hynes is out, i would want one of (in no particular order): vigneault, trotz, eakins or quenneville

Trots has a prior connection to Shero from the Nashville days. Not sure if he’s what we’re looking for, but I wouldn’t hate it. No way to AV though, he’s useless when you don’t have an elite goalie. Our scoring would go up, and the other teams scoring on us would go up even more. We’d be allowing 35+ shots per game, which is like 3+ goals against with the goaltending we’ve gotten.

Quenneville would be pretty sweet.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

Honestly, why would Shero fire Hynes after taking a team that was bottom 3, less then a calendar year ago and is now in a playoff spot with 14 games to go?

Some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining. He's made mistakes, like every other coach around the league. I can remember Detroit fans going crazy over Babcock cause he was playing his vets over better rookies and he's apparently the best coach in the business.

We as fans won't understand certain moves made by the coaching staff but I wouldn't be in a rush to discard Hynes, knowing that Hall has the utmost respect for the guy. The last thing we need is a revolving door of coaches just like when Lou was in charge.

Stability is key and Hynes is doing a heck of a job, despite what some couch potato coaches here might think.

 

[Bleedred]

Honestly, why would Shero fire Hynes after taking a team that was bottom 3, less then a calendar year ago and is now in a playoff spot with 14 games to go?

Some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining. He's made mistakes, like every other coach around the league. I can remember Detroit fans going crazy over Babcock cause he was playing his vets over better rookies and he's apparently the best coach in the business.

We as fans won't understand certain moves made by the coaching staff but I wouldn't be in a rush to discard Hynes, knowing that Hall has the utmost respect for the guy. The last thing we need is a revolving door of coaches just like when Lou was in charge.

Stability is key and Hynes is doing a heck of a job, despite what some potato couch coaches here might think.

Fine

But the playoffs next year should be mandatory if he’s keeping his job after next season. That’ll be 4 years then.

Goaltending hasn’t helped him out this year and I think he’s done a good job with not blindly sticking to one or giving Cory preferential treatment. He also went to Lack for a few games when it was Kinkaid who was stinking up the joint, so he’s done what he could there.

 

[My3Sons]

Honestly, why would Shero fire Hynes after taking a team that was bottom 3, less then a calendar year ago and is now in a playoff spot with 14 games to go?

Some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining. He's made mistakes, like every other coach around the league. I can remember Detroit fans going crazy over Babcock cause he was playing his vets over better rookies and he's apparently the best coach in the business.

We as fans won't understand certain moves made by the coaching staff but I wouldn't be in a rush to discard Hynes, knowing that Hall has the utmost respect for the guy. The last thing we need is a revolving door of coaches just like when Lou was in charge.

Stability is key and Hynes is doing a heck of a job, despite what some potato couch coaches here might think.

I think you mean couch potato coaches thank you very much.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

Fine

But the playoffs next year should be mandatory if he’s keeping his job after next season. That’ll be 4 years then.

Goaltending hasn’t helped him out this year and I think he’s done a good job with not blindly sticking to one or giving Cory preferential treatment.

There's so much a coach can do.

He's been doing miracles with not much. Outside of Hall, who do we have? Our best dman was acquired less then 6 months ago, our best center is the youngest player in the league, our starting goaltender has stats that would send him to the AHL if it wasn't for his contract, etc, etc, etc.

He's installing a specific gameplan that fits our players to a "T" but you also need talent, not just speedsters. It's now up to Shero to get the players we're lacking in order to improve our roster and I have nothing but faith in him, just by looking at what he's done since taking over for Lou.

I'm still puzzled as to why we would give up picks for Mueller, only to have him be our 7th dman but that might change if we don't resign Moore, which I can see happen, despite all the praises he's been getting by management over the course of the past year.

 

[hidek91]

I'm not sure why would anyone criticize Shero based on this season. Even if we miss the playoffs, he has achieved 150% potential of the assets he had:
1) Our goaltending has been meh this year, Schneider's injury didn't help.
2) Our defence on paper is below average,
3) Our center core on paper is below average,
4) Our wings are very good.

In the previous 2 years it was almost AHL roster, Hynes had zero impact on that, can't also blame Shero as Lou left him with absolutely trash roster. But the point is, before the season started I didn't expect Devils to be in playoffs race, I expected top5 pick again and that's what majority of people expected. The success we've had so far is 100% on Hynes. Very good and intelligent coach.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

Honestly, why would Shero fire Hynes after taking a team that was bottom 3, less then a calendar year ago and is now in a playoff spot with 14 games to go?

Some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining. He's made mistakes, like every other coach around the league. I can remember Detroit fans going crazy over Babcock cause he was playing his vets over better rookies and he's apparently the best coach in the business.

We as fans won't understand certain moves made by the coaching staff but I wouldn't be in a rush to discard Hynes, knowing that Hall has the utmost respect for the guy. The last thing we need is a revolving door of coaches just like when Lou was in charge.

Stability is key and Hynes is doing a heck of a job, despite what some couch potato coaches here might think.

Second year in a row a team under his coaching collapses, and this one will be historic since no team in the position we were in over a few weeks ago has missed the playoffs.

He has been diretly responsible for quite a few of the losses and extended losing streaks beyond where they should have been with his non moves and never addressing the actual issues that cause the team to drop so many games. Inconsistent PP, shit number one LD that is over played for his age and declining skill, and playing slugs like Zajac and Boyle and sometimes Lovejoy, when the team is down a goal with a few minutes left.

Boyle and Zajac are f***ing useless outside of the faceoff dot, and I cant recall the last time they won one when we really needed them to, and even when they do, they cough the puck up because of a lack of offensive hockey skill and being slow.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

I'm not sure why would anyone criticize Shero based on this season. Even if we miss the playoffs, he has achieved 150% potential of the assets he had:
1) Our goaltending has been meh this year, Schneider's injury didn't help.
2) Our defence on paper is below average,
3) Our center core on paper is below average,
4) Our wings are very good.

In the previous 2 years it was almost AHL roster, Hynes had zero impact on that, can't also blame Shero as Lou left him with absolutely trash roster. But the point is, before the season started I didn't expect Devils to be in playoffs race, I expected top5 pick again and that's what majority of people expected. The success we've had so far is 100% on Hynes. Very good and intelligent coach.

Intelligent coaches don't let Boyle and Zajac onto the same PP unit and keep them there for over a month and a half and let the PP sink the way he did with those two being force fed onto the PP, one that was lethal before they stunk it up with their lack of offensive skill.

 

[bobilly45]

Really hope he doesnt start cory tomorrow. We need to start winning games, kk has been better, esp when it comes to making the timely saves.

 

[Lindys Lazy Eye]

A couple things:

Butcher signed here primarily because of Hynes, as quoted in interviews

Hall has basically called Hynes the best coach he's ever had, and praised his use of accountability. We have gotten the best out of Taylor Hall, arguably because of Hynes.

I don't think firing him would be of use, it could kill morale. What I would consider however, is demoting Hynes to assistant coach, if that would please the players. I think Hynes would be better in that role anyway. We don't need Clowe as a assistant coach, If we can secure Trotz or Coach Q as head coach, and ax Clowe or Naserdine, that could be beneficial.

 

[MadDevil]

I don't think demoting him to an assistant would work though. That would be a really weird dynamic for everybody.

I'd be more than okay with dumping Ward and/or Nasreddine this summer, although I know that rarely happens. If we end up missing the playoffs I think Hynes should have a short leash next year. If the team gets off to a rough start (which they really haven't done under Hynes yet) then I think you seriously consider making a change.

This team is still building, so I think the expectations from ownership/management are probably more long term than the expectations of the fans. Unless Shero thinks Hynes is doing harm to the development of the kids he's probably going to be patient with him until the team is truly ready to contend.

 

[NJDevs26]

Yeah that demotion move only works with Larry Robinson and even that was more or less an emergency.

 

[Bleedred]

Really hope he doesnt start cory tomorrow. We need to start winning games, kk has been better, esp when it comes to making the timely saves.

I think he knows that Cory stunk last night and I'm skeptical that he starts him tomorrow, unless he really has confidence that a real ''Breakthrough'' in his play is coming.

The problem is that Kinkaid isn't that good either.

I don't wanna see this tandem again next year, if we miss the playoffs and sadly, Kinkaid is the easier one to make disappear.

I think that Shero also knows that if we miss the playoffs, this tandem has a lot to do with it and he's not gonna wanna try at the playoffs again next year with them. And I'm sure Hynes as a coach is gonna be hoping, praying and maybe even getting in Shero's ear that we can't do this again. Kinkaid would be better suited backing up a more reliable, more durable starting goaltender in the NHL.

 

[glenwo2]

Really hope he doesnt start cory tomorrow. We need to start winning games, kk has been better, esp when it comes to making the timely saves.

I'm actually leaning toward this direction, too.

Though I think Cory deserves one last shot at NOT sucking before saying "You know what? Time to take a more permanent seat, Cory. We can't even get loser points with you".

I wouldn't shed a tear if Kinky started the rest of the way, though.

 

[MadDevil]

You wouldn't shed a tear up until Kinkaid inevitably shits the bed anyway.

 

[glenwo2]

You wouldn't shed a tear up until Kinkaid inevitably ****s the bed anyway.

Well Cory has done the same so....why not roll the dice?

 

[Bleedred]

I don't have much faith in Kinkaid. I hope he can play well enough to generate some trade value so that a team with a better/less injury riddled starter will take him.

We need a more a reliable backup next year, because we have a now unreliable starter.

If I'm Hynes (assuming he's a homeowner in New Jersey), I'm putting my house on the market if we go into next season with this tandem again.

 

[MadDevil]

Well Cory has done the same so....why not roll the dice?

I'm actually not against playing Kinkaid. I just don't buy that he's suddenly found a level of consistency he's never had in his entire career. He's had as many .920+ performances in his last 7 starts (5) as he had in his previous 19 starts. So more than likely he's due for a couple of bad performances here. If you want to at least give him the opportunity to start until he does regress, fine. But let's not think simply riding Kinkaid is going to turn things around.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm actually not against playing Kinkaid. I just don't buy that he's suddenly found a level of consistency he's never had in his entire career. He's had as many .920+ performances in his last 7 starts (5) as he had in his previous 19 starts. So more than likely he's due for a couple of bad performances here. If you want to at least give him the opportunity to start until he does regress, fine. But let's not think simply riding Kinkaid is going to turn things around.

I also think he might even be due for more starts where he plays well, but loses a hard luck 2-1 game, like he did against Carolina last week.

I believe more than anything that we can't have both of these guys here next year. Hynes probably knows he can't rely on both of them next year, we need to upgrade on one of them and Kinkaid is the easier one to make disappear.

I think we're slightly below league average in goals for, but like bottom 8 in goals against. Our shots against are just a little below league average, but not as bad as the goaltending.

Our shots against on the season is 2147 and goals against is 202. I think about 6 of those shots and 6 of those goals are empty netters, which are 100% shooting shots. Maybe 7 of each? Let's say the goalies have allowed 196 goals on 2141 shots faced. Team save percentage is a .909% and league average is .913%. If we had just .915% combined goaltending this year, we would have already allowed 8 fewer goals. That's gotta be worth 3-4 points already? We'd be in a good spot at 80 points, in front of a bunch of teams, rather than on life support.

Bad goaltending doesn't hurt you in the blowout games. Usually in a blowout game, the goalie is one of the lesser suspects and even the really good goalies have blowout games. Marty was good for some 5-6 goal against games, even in his prime years. It's the 3-2 losses where the crap goaltending hurts you. Think Calgary game recently, Minnesota game recently, the last loss to Boston when Lack played, every game lost this past week, which were 3-2. What if we had at least gotten 2-3 of those games just to OT and still lost? At least we have 2, 3, 4 more points.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

the thing that irks me about Hynes is his deployment

Santini was on the top pairing for weeks and then is sent down never to be heard from again (this season at least)

Mueller was playing well then got injured and now cant get into a game

these things make no sense