Discussion in 'Philadelphia Flyers' started by MiamiScreamingEagles, Nov 1, 2017.
I belive that if he win Cup with us, he will be in the same tier with Clarke.
I don't know about my having alternative opinions yada yada yada... but if you read what I said, I said that basing the greatest of all time Flyers was IMO on a long period of time in a full career.
Just my opinion... and everybody has theirs.
That said... with agreement that 88 was great but was not able to sustain a long career due to injuries... can I safely say that you did not see Barber play live in his prime?... How about Propp?
They were great and exceptional Players... but Giroux IMO has a shot to overtake them... Lindros sadly do not.
Anyway... I'm not so sure many people who saw Barber and Propp Game in and Game out would not agree that they were two of the greatest Skaters in Flyers History... the limited career of Lindros is open to personal opinion.
... Would you suggest that Lindberg had a greater Flyers career than Parent and Hextall based on his talent on a limited career? Sort of the same thing as I view it.
Careful big fella.
Clarke captained the Flyers to two Cups and even more SCFs ... but even more than that, his stats... adjusted or not.... were monster.
I honestly believe that those who know Clarke through his Stats and legend will never truly appreciate what Clarke really was... and to a lesser extent, I believe that Barber, Propp and even Howe also fit into that... although Howe's Stats compared to other Flyers D-Men makes it a lot easier to comprehend.
I should apologize; it wasn't Dave Isaac who was talking about Flyers greats, it was Appleyard.
Kopitar I understand but not Hall or MacKinnon. Of those three I'm voting Kopitar but it is absurd that Giroux is not a finalist.
Hall had a bigger impact on NJ. Same with McKinnon on Colorado.
I think when comparing point totals, goals > total assists, but not primary assists.
I'd much rather have Kopitar than Giroux, Hall is more dangerous though not as reliable at this point in his career.
Give Hall credit, where Nico was MIA, Hall stepped up in the playoffs, though his stats were PP padded.
MacKinnon had 27 ES goals, but E +/- +0.3 which is a red flag.
Kopitar is in a category of his own, top defensive forward, 17 minutes ES, 2:53 PP, 2:10 PK (4.0 GA/60)
30 year old forward playing top D-man minutes with 28-35 63 ES scoring.
He was hands down the best player in the league last year.
Does everything well.
Can’t really argue with the three nominations.
Anze had a hell of a year.
Hall carried NJ.
Mackinnon was Colorado.
You can make those arguments for Giroux too.
Plus more scoring.
as expected why would anyone expect anyone on this team to not be pissed on by a supposed unbiased media.we as a team and as fans are not liked it will never change
I'm glad that this year it does seem merit based, but there were several top players and honestly none really was head and shoulders above the others.
Everyone wants to crown McDavid, but he was only 6 points above the next player, hardly worth labeling the "best."
I do think that Hall and Kopitar are slam dunks. Both are the engine that makes their team go. Remove them and the team drops to the cellar. It can also be argued that Giroux and MacKinnon are also similarly responsible for their team's success.
McDavid is a tier below these four. McDavid has Draisaitl. None of the above have a similarly talented player on their team. If you remove McDavid from the roster, how different would the Oilers season have been? Probably not much. Remove any of the previous four above and none of their teams make the playoffs.
I would be fine with either Hall or Kopitar winning it.
Giroux being snubbed is no big surprise. Having a Selke finalist on his team probably worked against him.
Taylor Hall can dig into a bag of dicks and eat his fill.
Ehh. Without those 3, those 3 teams don't sniff the Playoffs. Smart choices.
Giroux had to go 2.0 p/gp for the last month to squeak into the playoffs...
Its not as if he was along for the ride.
No but the Flyers did have 3 other players over 60 points. At least, NJ and LaK can't say that.
If that suddenly matters then we need to go back and take awards away from almost every winner for every award.
"No Selke for you, your team was too good"
I don't really have a problem with Giroux not making the final list. There are a lot of great players having great seasons this year. Heck, McDavid and Crosby are two of the best players in the league and they aren't in. Giroux's case is compromised by how good Couturier was. If G was a C on a different line, who knows. Marchand could probably have a case too. No biggie.
My only complaint is that it usually goes to the point leader whose team makes the playoffs, not actually who is the mvp to their team. They move the goal posts.
Playing with Couturier shouldn't make a difference, seeing as MacKinnon is nominated...
Two most common linemates:
Rantanen - 84 points
Landeskog - 62 points
Couturier - 76 points
Konecny - 47 points
Apparently the Hart Trophy is now defined as "best players on a mediocre team that just squeaks into the playoffs and isn't the Philadelphia Flyers."
The logic for excluding all of McDavid, Giroux, Kucherov ... there is none.
lol what is Rask even doing
my bad wrong thread.
Appleyard has been saying this exact thing for multiple years now.