Drummer
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I can't imagine how Burns or the other coaches would feel if those 2 showed up at UNB for their 5th year.
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I can't imagine how Burns or the other coaches would feel if those 2 showed up at UNB for their 5th year.
RED ARMY EAST
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Taran Kozun
From what I can see, Former WHL goaltender Taran Kozun has been released from his contract with Utah??
Last played Feb 6, so he would have to red shirt for a year before joining any CIS team.
Obviously, he was pursued by the "U of A" before his decision to turn pro.
Could he be headed back to the Bears? SMU, Acadia,STU, and most likely X all could use a goaltender of his calibre.
From what I can see, Former WHL goaltender Taran Kozun has been released from his contract with Utah??
Last played Feb 6, so he would have to red shirt for a year before joining any CIS team.
Obviously, he was pursued by the "U of A" before his decision to turn pro.
Could he be headed back to the Bears? SMU, Acadia,STU, and most likely X all could use a goaltender of his calibre.
Drummer
Better Red than Dead
He doesn't have red-shirt the entire season. He is not eligable for 365 days from his last game of Pro - so he can play after Feb. 5th 2017.
He will lose 1 year of eligibility for playing pro after Jan. 8th, 2016, so he will have 4 years left.
AUS Fan
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It would make sense to Not play after Feb. 5, 2017. Why use up a whole year for a handful of games? Plus there is also the fact of having to play 5-6 games to be eligible for post season.
RED ARMY EAST
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If it were a team that had a good shot at making the University Cup and they were looking to improve in goal, it would be an option for them.
If he was released from the ECHL, how good is he??
I bet he lands at the U of A?
If he was released from the ECHL, how good is he??
I bet he lands at the U of A?
Kozun
CIS needs to change it's rule and allow for players to try pro for a full year for their 21 year-old season, and then be able to go to school and play immediately after that year and not red-shirt.
But as it stands now:
An agent needs to have a better understanding of a player's true situation in a player's pro pursuit.
Very few agents recommend to a player to go to school over playing ECHL...
If a player has a legit shot to play in the AHL then he should play pro...otherwise...needs to be a serious discussion about School IMO...
CIS needs to change it's rule and allow for players to try pro for a full year for their 21 year-old season, and then be able to go to school and play immediately after that year and not red-shirt.
But as it stands now:
An agent needs to have a better understanding of a player's true situation in a player's pro pursuit.
Very few agents recommend to a player to go to school over playing ECHL...
If a player has a legit shot to play in the AHL then he should play pro...otherwise...needs to be a serious discussion about School IMO...
AUS Fan
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Fully agree, Bob. CIS players are good enough to play in the ECHL, but smart enough not to. If not a guaranteed AHL contract, then don't do it.
mikeandI
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so this is why the CIS has the December 31st rule...according to most of the experts..force the kids into a reality based decision!!
So
using AUS fan's wording...good enough to ...smart enough not to...
if you chase your dreams until December 31st of your overage year and the AHL is not looking like it is going to materialize...do NOT pass go....choose the CIS get a degree....or at least tear it (cis) up for a year or two and see if the AHL contract shows up.....if not get your degree...and see where "turning pro takes you"..after
BUT
beware of the late December call up to the AHL, maybe even the New Years day game...as alot of guys bite on this and are sent back to ECHL the next day...did this happen to the Kozun fella? Seems strange he would get tricked until mid February?? He had to have known about the December 31st rule!? BTW he is not the first or the last to bite on this bait!?
***the Agents are not helping these kids nor are the Junior management people in alot of ways playing pro gets thm off the hook for the players education package**
ECHL is just prolonging the move into real life and should be enjoyed if you have no other plans or no degree. Because 350 a week for 5 or 6 months does buy much and is hard to start a savings plan with no income for the remaining parts of the year IMO
Drummer
Better Red than Dead
It's actually January 10th, but yes - if you've played 2 months and you're not in the AHL, then make a decision.
Now - they can complete the year and then red-shirting. They still get their CHL package to attend school, but they wont get an AFA until their second year when they can play.
Also - with the change in the CHL's education packages, they remain accessible even if you play in the AHL (to avoid those 1 game and you've lost it scenarios). So, if you don't need an AFA and you're not thinking of playing more than 4 years - it's not really a big issue (given your red-shirt season - you're probably only going to be around for 3 years anyways, 4 tops - so they may as well let thenm play the red-shirt year).
But I agree with Bob - it's a bit silly to force these kids to make the decision at Christmas. The current environment can lead to 'rentals' who come in but are really only playing for the term (eg. from UNB; Shayne Weibe) - which is not the intent of the rule.
AdamMcg83
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Well said. I remember speaking to former WAT/YORK F Justin Larson about this when he was invited to Washington Capitals camp in 2013. He basically told the Caps that he would consider leaving school for one of the 50 NHL contracts they had to give out, but a two-way ECHL/AHL deal wasn't going to be enough - namely, because those deals are there for talented players after graduation (we see it every March). Larson is an excellent student (he finished as a four-time academic all-Canadian, will probably be 5-time after this year), and he had aspirations off the ice - as most undrafted OA's do.
It's a bit of a different situation coming right out of major junior, but it would be nice if most overagers (and their agents) understood the value - or lack thereof - of the two-way ECHL/AHL contract.
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FreddyFoyle
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Hmmm, Stieny snags a Frederictonian out from under Roger Shannon's and Gardiner's view.
Drummer
Better Red than Dead
Yes - he's from Fredericton, but his stats aren't impressive. I think they have enough depth that they don't need a 'body'.
I'm still trying to figure out why Zack Shannon is on the team (other than the obvious). I can't see him playing any real minutes next year.
Curious, other than the scholarship these plays may get for years of service playing in the major junior leagues - believe tuition, books and compulsory fees - what can these players negotiate from a school?
UNB Bruins Fan
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Yeah, I'm not really losing any sleep over this one. I would be surprised if UNB had serious interest in him.
Rob
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STU players will also be able to transfer to another school without forfeiting a season. Due to the cap rule in the AUS I'm guessing most will find homes in the OUA where many of them are from.
McGill makes a big move by reeling in StFX d-man Nathan Chiarlitti for grad school. Scary defence, even without Labrecque next season.
Rob
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Read an interview in today's Gleaner with Tommies head coach Kyle McAllister.
He said that his first priority is finding homes for his former players. Coaches have already been contacting him. Ottawa Gee Gees head coach Patrick Grandmaitre was one of them. It would really make a lot of sense for Ottawa to grab up some players from the Tommies as they could really use some CIS veterans on a team full of rookies. Will be interesting to see.
He said that his first priority is finding homes for his former players. Coaches have already been contacting him. Ottawa Gee Gees head coach Patrick Grandmaitre was one of them. It would really make a lot of sense for Ottawa to grab up some players from the Tommies as they could really use some CIS veterans on a team full of rookies. Will be interesting to see.
connor macdavid
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Never thought of Ottawa as a landing spot for some of these guys. Unsure what the academic standards, etc are. Getting some experienced players for a year or two may ease the pain of being an "expansion" team.
Drummer
Better Red than Dead
Each CIS School can offer a player an AFA (Athletic Financial Award) up to that school's tuition and fees. There is a cap on the number of AFA's a hockey program can offer - I believe it's 75% of your roster.
Also - a program can slice and dice the AFA money any way they want - they are under no obligation to offer an AFA and when they do, it does not have to be a Full AFA (eg. you may offer half AFAs to a pair of depth guys, accounting for 1, while going full AFA for your top line guys).
Finally, I believe a program can increase their AFA allocation by one player for each Academic All-Canadian they have on the roster. A rewarded for recruiting quality academics.
So, I don't know if you would call it negotiate as the hockey program is under now obligation to give you an AFA, but a lot of school's will offer AFAs to their top recruits.
