Chairelli and Gretzky developed Boston?

redgrant

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We can all see the bruins looking like juggernauts but for some reason Nicholson is drinking the "chairelli drafted developed bergeron Marchand" Kool-Aid.

Gretzky was involved in a few good draft picks.... He also passed on barzal 3 times.

Who are these imaginary players chairelli drafted?

Does Gretzkys debrusk type picks out weigh his barzal passes?
 

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We can all see the bruins looking like juggernauts but for some reason Nicholson is drinking the "chairelli drafted developed bergeron Marchand" Kool-Aid.

Gretzky was involved in a few good draft picks.... He also passed on barzal 3 times.

Who are these imaginary players chairelli drafted?

Does Gretzkys debrusk type picks out weigh his barzal passes?
Even if you completely discredit Chiarelli from the 2006 draft he still developed all of Boston’s cup champ core and drafted Pastrnak, Heinen and brought in Krug before he left. If you discredit Chiarelli for his success in Boston you can discredit every cap era cup winning GM besides Lombardi. They all inherited way more than him.
 

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Head Scouts don't make the picks--the General Managers do.

A General Manager will tell his scouting department what kind of players he is looking for, i.e. what his draft strategy is, and that will affect how the scouts create their lists.

If Sweeney wanted a list of skilled players to draft rather than "tough, well-rounded, gritty players that can score" (or whatever he said), Gretzky's list would have had players like Barzal and Connor at the top.

Just look at how many players Tambellini drafted that were either coke machines (Abney) or gritty fourth-liners (Ewanyk).
 

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In retrospect, Chia made bad moves in Boston, but he did end up committing to a good group of core players. Found some decent D for boston too. He left them with Krug and Hamilton, that is a heck of a lot of offensive talent on the back end Boston had. They dumped Hamilton for no good reason, and now replaced him with McAvoy.

I think Chia's biggest mistake his last years there was sticking with Julien. Julien is like McLellan. These guys are still running old school ideas as other coaches are evolving. Julien took his shoot from anywhere game plan to Montreal and got similar results, while Boston is now owning the slot and valuing quality over quantity.
 

redgrant

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Even if you completely discredit Chiarelli from the 2006 draft he still developed all of Boston’s cup champ core and drafted Pastrnak, Heinen and brought in Krug before he left. If you discredit Chiarelli for his success in Boston you can discredit every cap era cup winning GM besides Lombardi. They all inherited way more than him.

Pastrnak was a first round best choice available type pick.
 

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We can all see the bruins looking like juggernauts but for some reason Nicholson is drinking the "chairelli drafted developed bergeron Marchand" Kool-Aid.

Gretzky was involved in a few good draft picks.... He also passed on barzal 3 times.

Who are these imaginary players chairelli drafted?

Does Gretzkys debrusk type picks out weigh his barzal passes?

Chiarelli is a bad GM, but not because of his drafting or free agent signings.

Let's look at this B's roster and who was the GM when the player was acquired. The interesting time is the 2006 draft, when Chiarelli's hiring was official but he was likely working closely with Gorton.

list of GMs -

Mike O'Connell : Nov 1 2000 - end March 2006
Jeff Gorton : March 25 - May 26, 2006
Peter Chiarelli : May 26 2006 - April 15 2015
Don Sweeney : May 20 2015 - Current

Rask - Jeff Gorton (trade)
Khudobin - Peter Chiarelli (trade), Don Sweeney (FA)

David Pastrnak - Peter Chiarelli (Draft)
Brad Marchand - Peter Chiarelli (Draft) / Jeff Gorton
Patrice Bergeron - Mike O'Connell (Draft)
Torey Krug - Peter Chiarelli (College FA)
David Krejci - Mike O'Connell (Draft)
Jake DeBrusk - Don Sweeney (Draft)
Sean Kuraly - Don Sweeney (Trade)
David Backes - Don Sweeney (FA Signing)
Kevan Miller - Peter Chiarelli (College FA)
Charlie McAvoy - Don Sweeney (Draft)
Rick Nash - Don Sweeney (Trade)
Zdeno Chara - Peter Chiarelli (FA Signing, July 1st)
Ryan Donato - Peter Chiarelli (Draft)
Tommy Wingels - Don Sweeney (Trade)
Matt Grzelcyk - Peter Chiarelli (Draft)
Adam McQuaid - Peter Chiarelli (Trade)
Tim Schaller - Don Sweeney (FA Signing)
Danton Heinen - Peter Chiarelli (Draft)
Noel Acciari - Don Sweeney (College FA)

Riley Nash (Sweeney), Czarnik (Chiarelli), Bjork (Chiarelli), Carlo (Sweeney) and geezers like Holden and Gionta are all in the mix too but haven't played in the playoffs.

Final tally:

Peter Chiarelli - 11 players (full or partial credit)
Don Sweeney - 10 players
Mike O'Connell - 2 players
Jeff Gorton - 2 players

So what does this tell you?

Let Chiarelli do his thing when it comes to drafting and college free agents. Seems to do better than ok. Small to medium trades he does fine too. Big trades? Hit the panic button.
 

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It's like barzal. You can't chastise a team at 3 or 4 that passed on him. He was projected to go 10 to 15.
It was the best pick of the draft. Not like Pastrnak was projected to go way higher and fell to 25. He was ranked in the 20’s on most listings.
 

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Chiarelli had some influence on that draft. Here’s a Lucic quote from his presser here. “I have a lot of loyalty to Peter for taking a risk drafting me where he did”. Pretty evident Chiarelli had at least some influence on that draft.

Absolutely. There's a roughly 0% chance there weren't at absolute least a few phone calls between Gorton and Chiarelli prior to the 2006 draft.
 
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redgrant

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he picked one of the best players in that draft at #25 but yes dismiss it lol

so no credit for signing Torey Krug?

I don't consider Garth snow a genius for drafting barzal where he did. That is exactly where he was suppose to go.

Same thing with Erik Karlsson or Oscar klefbom.

As you've shown - 1 draft pick outside the first round.
 

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Was Gretzky not turffed with Chiarelli? I thought the 2015 draft was Sweeney's scouts.
 

redgrant

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It was the best pick of the draft. Not like Pastrnak was projected to go way higher and fell to 25. He was ranked in the 20’s on most listings.

Yes exactly he was projected to go in the 20s and did. Basically 25 other teams drafting in the same spot probably would have taken him there.
 

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I don't consider Garth snow a genius for drafting barzal where he did. That is exactly where he was suppose to go.

Same thing with Erik Karlsson or Oscar klefbom.

As you've shown - 1 draft pick outside the first round.
so your only criteria from being good at drafting and developing is 2nd round and later picks? and again, no credit for identifying and signing Torey Krug?
 

redgrant

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In retrospect, Chia made bad moves in Boston, but he did end up committing to a good group of core players. Found some decent D for boston too. He left them with Krug and Hamilton, that is a heck of a lot of offensive talent on the back end Boston had. They dumped Hamilton for no good reason, and now replaced him with McAvoy.

I think Chia's biggest mistake his last years there was sticking with Julien. Julien is like McLellan. These guys are still running old school ideas as other coaches are evolving. Julien took his shoot from anywhere game plan to Montreal and got similar results, while Boston is now owning the slot and valuing quality over quantity.

A little off topic but Boston lead the league in corsi. They still shoot a ton after Julien and chairelli.
 

MessierII

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Yes exactly he was projected to go in the 20s and did. Basically 25 other teams drafting in the same spot probably would have taken him there.
Maybe. Still the steal of the draft. You can’t just dismiss that or you might as well just dismiss the draft all together. Re draft he goes 3rd.
 

redgrant

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Maybe. Still the steal of the draft. You can’t just dismiss that or you might as well just dismiss the draft all together. Re draft he goes 3rd.

I agree he'd be Top 5. You have to realize that if Boston had a top 5 pick they wouldn't have taken him at that spot.
 

MessierII

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Again if you discredit Chiarelli’s work and success in Boston you can discredit Tallon, Shero, Burke, Bowman, Rutherford, Holland, every one of these GM’s inherited more key pieces than Chiarelli did in Boston.
 

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