Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread VII

[thebus88]

I can think of 5 defensemen from just last draft that are likely to be better than Gavrikov. What a ridiculous statement that he might be the best defensive prospect in the world. He’s a good prospect for Columbus, but come on..

He very well could BE (right now) or BECOME (in the future) the "best" Russian defenseman in the world.

100% serious.

And that would mean he's pretty good.

 

[Theo Von]

He very well could BE (right now) or BECOME (in the future) the "best" Russian defenseman in the world.

100% serious.

And that would mean he's pretty good.

Lol, there’s only been 10 Russian defensemen that have played in the NHL this season. Gavrikov is definitely not a better defenseman (right now) than Sergachev.. Orlov.. Provorov.. just to name a few off that list (and I’m a huge Gavrikov advocate).

 

[WannabeFinn]

He very well could BE (right now) or BECOME (in the future) the "best" Russian defenseman in the world.

100% serious.

And that would mean he's pretty good.

Did Sergachev lose a limb? Has Provorov's brain been scrambled?

Gavrikov has plenty of potential. He could be a really, really great top 4 defenseman. But unless he magically learns how to handle the puck like Artemi Panarin, he's not going to be a better blueliner than either of the two players previously mentioned (who are both considerably younger than Gavrikov). Not to mention they've already strutted their stuff in The Show. We've yet to see if Gavrikov will ever actually leave the KHL.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Gavrikov has plenty of potential. He could be a really, really great top 4 defenseman. But unless he magically learns how to handle the puck like Artemi Panarin, he's not going to be a better blueliner than either of the two players previously mentioned (who are both considerably younger than Gavrikov).

Gavrikov is 22
Provorov is 21
Sergachev is 19

 

[Sore Loser]

Rasmus Dahlin is the top defense prospect in the world. Anyone who wants to debate that, feel free...

He's going to be a generational talent on defense. Not dissimilar to Erik Karlsson.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Gavrikov is 22
Provorov is 21
Sergachev is 19

Provorov is a year and a couple months younger, Sergachev is more than 2 and a half years younger. Considering their respective ages, that's quite the difference. A young man can develop a ton physically and mentally in that time frame.

Again, I'm NOT discrediting Gavrikov's abilities or potential. It's just really silly to think he might actually be better than Sergachev or Provorov any time soon.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

He won't be, but he was drafted the year before Provorov, 1 year. That's not "much older".

He'd be on the 2nd pair in Columbus if he were here now.

 

[WannabeFinn]

He won't be, but he was drafted the year before Provorov, 1 year. That's not "much older".

He'd be on the 2nd pair in Columbus if he were here now.

Like I said above, a year difference at that age isn't insignificant. It's not like you're comparing players in their 30's.

And even if Gavrikov were on our 2nd pair.. still not as good as Sergachev and Provorov! My goodness. That's all I'm saying here.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

I agree, sorry if I was being Specific Guy

 

[Theo Von]

Gavrikov is 22
Provorov is 21
Sergachev is 19

@spintheblackcircle
@WannabeFinn

 

[Maylo]

He'd be on the 2nd pair in Columbus if he were here now.

That's a huuge reach.

 

[Theo Von]

That's a huuge reach.

@spintheblackcircle @Maylo ... I can guarantee you 99.9 percent that if Gavrikov was eligible to come over to NA tomorrow and join the club, he would NOT be with the CBJ. He’d be playing with Cleveland til the end of their season, similar to Z when his season with Michigan was done... but no need to worry about any of this because he is 100 percent not coming and not able to come to NA any time soon.

 

[Maylo]

@spintheblackcircle @Maylo ... I can guarantee you 99.9 percent that if Gavrikov was eligible to come over to NA tomorrow and join the club, he would NOT be with the CBJ. He’d be playing with Cleveland til the end of their season, similar to Z when his season with Michigan was done... but no need to worry about any of this because he is 100 percent not coming and not able to come to NA any time soon.

I know, they didn't guarantee him a spot when he was here in summer. And we didn't have Cole then and no one knew Kukan "existed".

Personally for me, every record from SKA of any player means shit, because of the way that team is treated.

 

[EspenK]

Rasmus Dahlin is the top defense prospect in the world. Anyone who wants to debate that, feel free...

He's going to be a generational talent on defense. Not dissimilar to Erik Karlsson.

If we lost all the rest we'd have a chance to win the lottery.

Serious question and I think I know most people's answer but IF it was guaranteed the Jackets would get 1st pick would you take that over the playoffs? I would.

 

[Sore Loser]

If we lost all the rest we'd have a chance to win the lottery.

Serious question and I think I know most people's answer but IF it was guaranteed the Jackets would get 1st pick would you take that over the playoffs? I would.

Sure, but some big changes would have to be made. One of Jones/Werenski/Dahlin would have to be dealt for an attractive forward package.

 

[Forepar]

If we lost all the rest we'd have a chance to win the lottery.

Serious question and I think I know most people's answer but IF it was guaranteed the Jackets would get 1st pick would you take that over the playoffs? I would.

I would not.

 

[EspenK]

I would not.

Why? Because you believe team doesn't need a potential generational talent? Because you think the playoff experience is invaluable? You believe we can make a deep run this year?

I would do it if possible because I believe that adding a guy like that ensures much more future success than a playoff berth this year. Even if it meant trading one of him, Jones or Werenski for a top notch forward like Matthews, Eichel, that would make the team stronger all over.

 

[Monk]

Why? Because you believe team doesn't need a potential generational talent? Because you think the playoff experience is invaluable? You believe we can make a deep run this year?

I would do it if possible because I believe that adding a guy like that ensures much more future success than a playoff berth this year. Even if it meant trading one of him, Jones or Werenski for a top notch forward like Matthews, Eichel, that would make the team stronger all over.

Would you rather win the Stanley Cup this year or draft #1 overall next year?

 

[EspenK]

Would you rather win the Stanley Cup this year or draft #1 overall next year?

Obviously I'd rather win the Cup this year. However, because that is not happening, I would take the pick this year rather than a 1st or 2nd round exit.

 

[thebus88]

If (Dahlin/1st) is the case, "bye bye" Werenski. Not sure people here could handle that. You don't deal Jones in any way.

Going back to Gavrikov, I'll trust my judgement over others.

I'm going to guess these people "bashing" my comments on him are the same people that before, during, and after Carlsson's 5 minute games in the playoffs, were claiming that we were already making, and NEEDED to make room for him in the near future. They said Carlsson > Nutivaara. Same people who I'm sure "bashed" and essentially "scared off" our friendly poster from Finland that came on here with "in-depth" and/or "on location" reporting on just HOW GOOD Nutivaara was and going to be, and how we should ABSOLUTELY stay away from Puljajarvi. Told us how good of a pick Dubois was over Puljajarvi. Dude was trashed for both of these ideas by the fascists (ha sorry, had to) on here. Just imagine now, if we did NOT pick Dubois. And some say Nutivaara is a 3/4 already, who was playing in Finland. Gavrikov is arguably the most important defenseman on arguably the best team not in the NHL.

Just because guys have played juniors in NA and have played in the NHL already at a younger age, doesn't make them better now, or in the future. Russia is clearly different (better) than Sweden/Finland/etc. A perfect example is Panarin. And while he might not have the "offensive skill" or "offensive potential" of guys like Orlov and Sergachev, he's very much so in the 2-way conversation with Zadorov and Provarov. Again, I'm not going to agree with people who overvalue offensive d man. As I'd probably take Zadorov and his 2-way play over the more offensive guys, as these guys aren't THAT much better offensively, and most certainly worse defensively.

Also, just to add, Ryan Murray is 24 years old. There is a point to be made there.

 

[mikeyp24]

Thing with Gavrikov all I'll say is his defense is elite so no matter what people want to point out about other defenders putting up points... Id rather have an elite defenseman to stop points then a defenseman who is ok at D but puts up points.

 

[Sore Loser]

Thing with Gavrikov all I'll say is his defense is elite so no matter what people want to point out about other defenders putting up points... Id rather have an elite defenseman to stop points then a defenseman who is ok at D but puts up points.

So Gavrikov over Werenski? Check.

 

[mikeyp24]

So Gavrikov over Werenski? Check.

That's like saying I like 2 way Cs more then passing first Cs that rack up assists and you saying ok Kesler over McDavid check. You can't pick extremes.

 

[Sore Loser]

That's like saying I like 2 way Cs more then passing first Cs that rack up assists and you saying ok Kesler over McDavid check. You can't pick extremes.

Werenski is a defenseman who is OK on defense but puts up numbers. Clearly fits within your parameters.

Maybe you should be more careful about generalizing.

 

[mikeyp24]

Werenski is a defenseman who is OK on defense but puts up numbers. Clearly fits within your parameters.

Maybe you should be more careful about generalizing.

Puts up the top goals in the league while playing solid D. I wouldn't consider serg or Prov on Zs level.