Cat to the table: Auston Matthews vs Patrik Laine

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Better player?

  1. Auston Matthews

    52.9%
  2. Patrik Laine

    30.8%
  3. Too close to call

    16.3%
  1. The Winter Soldier

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    The difference in TOI as to games is still not that great. Laine averages only 16+ mins a game. Matthews 18+ mins a game. I looked at corsica numbers and there was only roughly a 100 min difference of the 2. Regardless, PP efficiency wins games in the regular season and the playoffs. To downplay this would be foolish.
     
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    yah he's been great and his importance is really shown. we're not that great of a team without him.
     
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    fair. good arguement
     
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    I think he can still end up with 35+ goals despite missing so much depending on how he looks when returning. My reasoning is that it is because thats what laine did (altho he missed less games) and matthews can pull it off i believe.

    The way i see it is that if one can do it both can. This is something both has shown us so far.

    I said this before, that what you leafs fan see laine do now is something that matthews is also able to do so i hope you guys enjoy the show. Catch his game tonight lets see if the streak continues.
     
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    It's hard to believe that when Matthews suffered his first injury this season the Leafs won 4 games in a row until he returned to the lineup, compared to his second injury when they won 2 games until he returned and so far during this current injury they have only won 2 games.
     
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    Obviously any team loosing their dominant scorer will take a hit without him.

    Especially in guys like laine or matthews who stand for aroubd 15% of their teams goals over a season...remove 15% even for a small period of time and it can kill a team
     
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    So no one ever mentions Matthews' gpg? It's just Finns who use ppg and gpg? Calling out Finns for it when every single fan base, even Leafs fans, uses injuries as excuse is a double standard.
     
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    Yeah it has been close looking purely by points as you showed. It's still funny to think back all the debates and how Laine was not supposed to be anywhere near at the same level. Today it looks the opposite if anything. Laine has had more growing pains and it makes sense since he was pretty badly injured in the juniors and is considerably younger. So our judgement for him most probably having the highest ceiling out of 2016 draftees wasn't at all off. It's been more of a surprise that he's already been able to thrive in the league despite of being a bigger project. Just the idea of getting close to 50 goals while playing 16+ min average in today's era is an insane accomplishment for a player of any age. Anyway, at the end of the day both of these guys' careers have been pleasant surprises, no arguing there.
     
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    winnipeg missed scheiffle and didnt miss a beat. i feel like it'd be the same with laine. if he was hurt winnipeg wouldn't faulter at all.
     
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    Matthews getting 35 goals or more would be great and he can strike at any time for a multiple goal game. Just look at what he did in his first games back from his previous injuries.





     
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    Well they had laine going crazy so....

    Thing is jets have good depth laine/scheifele and to a lesser extent wheeler and ehlerd are players who can decide single games by thenselves. As long as not all of them are injured jets can still win games but it really hurts missing a player like scheifele...
     
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    laine only had 6 goals when scheifele was out 6 weeks. i was referring to that injury in case you thought i was talking about the 2nd one. wheeler went in the #1 C position and played amazing there
     
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    Ah then i see.

    Wasent laine wheelers winger then tho??
     
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    Mattwho?
     
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    yah but wasn't laine on the 3rd line or something like that?
     
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    Hmm im not sure. I believe as soon as wheeler was moved to c he got laine on the wing. I may be wrong tho. Anyways point is losing any of ehlers laine wheeler scheifele definatly hurts but they have enough talent leftover to still give a fight and win.

    On the d side you have buff who can be so good but at times you just wondee what he is doing.

    Also hellebuck has been fire for the jets this season so thats also a big part to why they qin despite injuries at a higher rate than last season from what i understand.
     
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    ik at some point in the season laine was on the 3rd line but ik it didn't last that long. you're probably right tbh.
     
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    He very well might have been. I havent followed this season nearly as close as the previous one so cant say. I know he played a game with copp prior to stadtnys arrival. But very possible he played a third earlier too. Surely someone here can confirm that.
     
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    i'm pretty sure he played with ehlers on the 3rd line at some point or another
     
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    You are basically saying what I was saying, not sure what your end goal with these posts are.
     
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    Didn’t you quote me and accuse me of only using points as an argument in the Marner/Aho thread? That’s what I was responding too, that my argument also including possession stats, ice-time and takeaway differential. It wasn’t just points.
     
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    #1C vs #2/3 RW. Tough choices.

    *Looks at poll results*

    I guess not. :popcorn:
     
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    No, I have no problem with your post in the Marner vs Aho thread. I tried to show to that Leafsnation guy that using injuries as an "excuse" isn't only Finnish thing.
     
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