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Seth Jarvis is Elite
I can't see 2 expansions to Cali, or to Cinncy, maybe 1 to either St Louis or Detroit.
OT: Carolina RailHawks to Rebrand, Push for MLS Bid
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I can't see 2 expansions to Cali, or to Cinncy, maybe 1 to either St Louis or Detroit.
tarheelhockey
Offside Review Specialist
In that case both applications are probably dead in the water. The one in Charlotte hasn't even picked an architect yet, let alone produced plans or renderings or finances.
TBH I don't even understand why they're paying the fees if a stadium plan is a requirement, unless the idea here is to lay groundwork for future serious applications.
Breakdowns
Meh
How many teams they want to get in MLS? From european point of view, if they keep going like this, there will be too many teams IMO
DaveG
Noted Jerk
I'm not sure. I think they go with Austin or SA, 1 Cali team or Phoenix, 1 midwest team (St Louis most likely IMHO), and 1 NC team.
Honestly what should have happened is after the league got to 20 teams they should have incorporated the USL and NASL and set up a 3 tier system with promotion and relegation. But there's various reasons why that was never going to happen unfortunately, including for a large part a lot of the ownership in the NASL (including the old Carolina ownership group) being beyond crooked.
Brock Anton
flames #badnwagon
Sacramento has been next in line for like 3 years now, they're not getting passed over, even with MLS hell bent on San Diego. If SD gets the stadium, which seems likely IMO, they're both in. Cincinnati has all the momentum from bringing in huge crowds for USL and just announced a stadium plan. They can start in their current stadium for a year or two before moving into their new one and instantly bring in crowds of 25K+, that's incredibly attractive to MLS. The 4th slot comes down to if one of St. Louis or Detroit can get a stadium, if one of them do, they're in. If neither do, San Antonio is ready, and has the boost of being owned by the Spurs.
I suppose it's not impossible for NC to be included this time around, but they seem like a big longshot to me IMO. I think the competing bids from Raleigh and Charlotte may hurt their cause too.
Brock Anton
flames #badnwagon
It is of my opinion that MLS' endgame is 40 which will be split evenly either into two divisions with pro/rel or kept East/West with no inter-conference play until MLS Cup.
DaveG
Noted Jerk
Agreed, this is what the endgame has sounded like for a while for MLS. Would prefer the promotion/relegation concept within MLS if they go that route but I'm OK with the idea of no inter-conference until MLS Cup play.
Breakdowns
Meh
Thanks for info guys.
I would prefer 2 or 3 tier system as well, but I am just used to it here in Europe, maybe East/West with big Cup game in the end would work out!
Navin R Slavin
Fifth line center
the halleJOKEL
strong as brickwall
i'd like to see 12 tiers and unlimited teams
i wnat to start a team at work with some random people and have a conceivable chance to play in MLS with no formal training
Anyone here think that the push for the MLS team will have a negative effect on the potential of a local ownership group stepping up to buy the Canes? The MLS group includes Goodmon, who was thought at one point to have some interest in the Canes. Does he have deep enough pockets to own both?
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tarheelhockey
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By the sound of it, the MLS bid isn't going to work out this time around.
If it doesn't, and Goodmon remains keen on the idea of owning a big-league franchise, then that could actually be very good for the Canes.
Is this just message board speculation about cities that leads you to that conclusion, or are there other sources that feel their bid is weaker than the others submitted? And, is Goodmon's money commitment only contingent on the MLS bid success? I thought he was part owner of the organization now regardless of if it becomes MLS or stays at it's current level.
tarheelhockey
Offside Review Specialist
I'm basing that on the comment upthread that the bid requires a fully-realized stadium plan including financing. That is definitely not a reality in this situation, and lack of a suitable arena is a total no-go when it comes to locating a pro sports franchise.
Unless Goodmon has made some sort of dramatic behind-the-scenes move to acquire land and personally finance a stadium, without anyone noticing, I don't see how the bid can succeed. Same in Charlotte, where the effort to produce a stadium plan appears to be downright half-assed.
DaveG
Noted Jerk
Well, thing with the Raleigh bid is that Cary is expandable to be a suitably sized stadium which would work nicely for a few years until the MLS facility could be up and running. Think of it as Greensboro 2.0 
The submission to MLS included several stadium plan options (which are supposed to be revealed in the near future), all of which are privately funded. I'm not sure why the potential stadium sites aren't public knowledge at this point tbh, but I've heard that North Hills beside 440 and south of downtown Raleigh beside 40 are two of the ? number of options. Malik (NCFC owner) said at a team event recently that the stadium will be privately funded but that he may ask for some public help in regards to road improvements, public infrastructure, etc.
I've never heard Goodmon's name in anything related to the team, but it's entirely possible he's part of the bid. I think the details will start leaking shortly. I think they put a lot of work into the bid process, but it was still a rush job and Malik has admitted that they had to scramble to get it done. Hopefully some of the other bids are garbage. The attractive Sacramento bid supposedly became less attractive due to it not including the current popular Republic club.
I've never heard Goodmon's name in anything related to the team, but it's entirely possible he's part of the bid. I think the details will start leaking shortly. I think they put a lot of work into the bid process, but it was still a rush job and Malik has admitted that they had to scramble to get it done. Hopefully some of the other bids are garbage. The attractive Sacramento bid supposedly became less attractive due to it not including the current popular Republic club.
tarheelhockey
Offside Review Specialist
Well, thing with the Raleigh bid is that Cary is expandable to be a suitably sized stadium which would work nicely for a few years until the MLS facility could be up and running. Think of it as Greensboro 2.0
But don't they actually need to have the financing for the next stadium in hand?
Unless Goodmon is planning to write a personal check, I don't think something that big could have slipped under the radar.
Jimmy Goodmon, Jr. is Chair of the Triangle MLS Bid committee. I assumed he had some financial/ownership stake, but that could be mistaken.
Brock Anton
flames #badnwagon
Well, with Sacramento literally nuking their own bid. A spot may have opened up for someone not originally thought to be in this time around.
Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis is Elite
Charlotte made a huge announcement... moving to Matthews from Ramblewood.
It would be cool I guess, and preferred to staying around NASL until it inevitably fails again. I still wish they would have bailed for the regional rivalries of USL rather than try to prop up an 8 team NASL.
I will say I'm skeptical an MLS Raleigh team can draw 22k per game just because it's "major league".
I will say I'm skeptical an MLS Raleigh team can draw 22k per game just because it's "major league".
tarheelhockey
Offside Review Specialist
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