Prospect Info: Carolina Hurricanes select C Elias Lindholm at #5

Ole Gil

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If we have Skinner and Lindholm on the 3rd line, then Dwyer or Bowman playing on the 2nd is a lot less of a big deal than last year, when we only had 2 lines that could score.
 

Jerkob Slavin

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We may have 1 less forward spot available if we roll 7 defenseman. There's a good chance Murphy makes the team in a MAB-type role (PP specialist and sheltered minutes).
 

Guy

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I'd rather he get significant minutes in Charlotte than play PP specialist in Raleigh.
 

AD Skinner

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Not sure how you could conclude that. Nash's career high is 14 goals in the AHL and has never really shown great scoring ability, even in college. Dwyer was a better scorer in the AHL than Nash. Not saying either of them will light it up, but I wouldn't assume Nash is a more natural scorer, as he's never shown that.

This is splitting hairs, but Nash has a higher point-per-game average at the NHL level than Dwyer. It's a small sample size, and really neither of those two players are 2nd-line material, but the idea was to split scoring up among the top 3 lines and someone has to take that spot with JStaal and Ruutu.
 

Chrispy

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Unless Rask really lights it up in camp and Lindholm fails to impress, I can't see how Rask makes the squad (barring injuries)

7 top 9 forwards are givens: Tlusty, Staal, Semin, Skinner, Staal, Ruutu, Dwyer.
1 forward is very likely: Lindholm
Westgarth is probably the 13th forward

So unless there is a trade, that leaves 1 top 9 spot and 3 fourth line spot to be fought out between:

Dalpe (waiver eligible), Boychuk (waiver eligible), Rask, Welsh (1 way deal), Bowman (1 way deal), Nash (waiver eligible?), Sutter (waiver eligible) , Palushaj (waiver status?), and Jared Staal.

Since Rask would not be exposed to waivers to go to Charlotte and does not have a 1 way deal, he would have to significantly outperform all the other guys fighting for that 1 top 9 spot (as he won't be on the 4th line) in order to make the squad.

It may happen, but I don't think it's as likely as some seem to imply.

Dalpe, Boychuk, Bowman, Nash, Sutter, Palushaj, and Jared Staal are all waiver eligible.

Welsh and Rask are waiver exempt. Welsh is on a 1-way deal, but I don't think it's expensive enough to cause a cap penalty for burying him. It will still be a payroll hit, though.
 

Sens1Canes2

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I think we can all agree that plays die on BOTH players' sticks the majority of the time. They are not cut out for offensive roles in any way.
Edit - BOTH meaning Dwyer and Nash.
 

Buenos Necas

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We seem to do this every year, pencil in a prospect who has no business being penciled in, like last year with Welsh at 3C. I don't see how people can say Rask will definitely make the team this season; he has yet to even show anything at the AHL level. I like him as a prospect, and I do hope he can at least be an effective bottom 6 player for us, but let's not kid ourselves and think that'll be this season.
 

Ole Gil

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This is splitting hairs, but Nash has a higher point-per-game average at the NHL level than Dwyer. It's a small sample size, and really neither of those two players are 2nd-line material, but the idea was to split scoring up among the top 3 lines and someone has to take that spot with JStaal and Ruutu.

The problem with Nash's production was that it was all in 2 games. 1 against a Washington team featuring almost all AHL dmen, and the other against Florida, that was also beat up.

Normally, points are points, but when the questionmark is whether or not you can score at the NHL level, and all your points are more or less against AHL'rs in a small sample, I think it's relevant.

Dwyer, while not great, will get his few points based on counter attacks using his speed and opportunistic play. So I'd call him a reliable 20pt guy who might put up a point against anyone, compared to Nash who I wouldn't count on for anything.
 

NotOpie

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Brett Sutter can play C correct?

A fourth line of something like Palushaj//Sutter//Jared might have potential and we can sub in Westgarth on nites when he's needed.

Third line could be something like Dwyer//Lindholm//Rask. Let the Swedes work some magic together, while Dwyer holds everything together with solid defensive play and a bit of offensive flair.

I love me some Patty Dwyer but offensive flair is not his strong suit.
 

NotOpie

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I know, but what I meant was he's talented enough to not embarrass himself on that end. His defensive player would help having to young kids on the ice at the same time.

My point is that if you give one of those prospects a real chance (not a 5 or 10 game trial but 25 games) in a scoring role, I'm more inclined to give Dalpe or Terry or even Palushaj (but I truly think he was signed for Charlotte depth) another chance at that role (2nd line).
 

Roboturner913

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The problem with Nash's production was that it was all in 2 games. 1 against a Washington team featuring almost all AHL dmen, and the other against Florida, that was also beat up.

The problem with evaluating Nash's production is that his success can almost directly be attributed to his linemates.

When he first came up he showed good chemistry with Jokinen and scored something like 6 points in 9 games, then they traded Jokinen. Later on he played some with Dwyer and that was a pretty good combo too, but Dwyer got moved to another line. Then he spent a handful of games playing with guys like Bowman and Wallace who are going to make generating any offense damn near impossible.

I'm not saying he's great but I'd like to see him play for a while with some decent wingers. This lineup could be a good starting point:

Tlusty-Staal-Semin
Skinner-Staal-Lindholm
Ruutu-Nash-Dwyer

Otherwise Nash strikes me as being very similar to Tim Brent. A guy that can give you some offense and do a little bit of everything pretty well but doesn't produce enough offense for third line and isn't physical enough for an energy fourth line.
 

Lucky Lindy

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A source close to Gävle Dagblad (local newspaper) say that Lindholm will play in SHL next year. But I still think he will play his 9 games before returning to Sweden.

If it's true, I will look a bit more on Brynäs then I had normally.
 

Jussijuice

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Not the worst news ever if it happens. Gives a few of the prospects (Dalpe, Palushaj, Bowman, Nash, Welsh, Boychuk, etc.) an extra spot on the proving grounds. Let Lindholm tear up the SEL as Brynas #1 C and prove the genius of this pick to the world.

Delays his ELC one year as well.
 

QuitStaaling

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A source close to Gävle Dagblad (local newspaper) say that Lindholm will play in SHL next year. But I still think he will play his 9 games before returning to Sweden.

If it's true, I will look a bit more on Brynäs then I had normally.

I read he wants to play in the NHL but will return to Sweden instead of going to Charlotte. Smart guy.
 

Guy

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He's under contract in Sweden still, it's either there or NHL. Charlotte isn't an option even if he wanted to go there, which I can't fathom why he would.
 

Anton Dubinchuk

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The article was poorly translated to suggest that he was considering staying in Sweden vs. playing in Charlotte.

What he was actually saying (as some people on Twitter pointed out) was that he understood that he WOULDN'T be playing for Charlotte, and potentially going back to Brynas if he couldn't play in the NHL. That's all. The article basically confirms that he understands his contract situation.

I still think he'll be a Cane.
 

Oenatzu

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Lindholm says at the end of the article that they've spoken about him playing in the AHL but have got to a conclusion that it's not an option for him. If he can't grab a spot on the NHL lineup he'll return to Brynas. He says that while a year at Brynas wouldn't hurt as he could train to become a stronger and better hockey player, he's tempted to take his chance on making the Hurricanes roster.
 

Highway29

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I'm from Finland and the article says that Elias takes his chance in the NHL and they're starting to find a replacement for him.
 

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