2017/2018 Management Discussion | NEW MOD WARNING IN OP AS OF 5/20/18

[CloutierForVezina]

I, however, am optimistic and feel good about the direction this team is going in, and the reason is Benning and Linden.

They have done a terrific job restocking this team with prospects and character free-agent signings that have given hope for the future.

Don't we already have like 15 threads about Linden and Benning?

 

[Bleach Clean]

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Corey Hirsch is just below the Moj in terms of delusion.

 

[passive voice]

setting an alarm on my phone for A Later Time

 

[ProstheticConscience]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks-example-model-rebuild

I couldn't have said it better myself. I'll add more comments at a later time.

Let's see:

--three and a half years into the Lindenningbrod regime, and it's still Gillis' fault. Uh-huh. Riiiiiight.

--take a look, Pittsburgh! This is where you get seven years after a Cup run! Oh, wait...you won in 2009, too? And last year...wait...how does math work? I dunno...when did Chicago win again...?

--I'm totally sure all those prospects will work out. Just like our franchise-changing draft in 2014.

--"High character FA signings"...character is what you bring up when you can't talk about how good their game is. Gagner and del Zotto suck.

--Even if all those players pan out, we still have no d or goaltending. Even if Juolevi becomes a stud (and I'm TOTALLY sure that's gonna happen) he'll be all by himself.

 

[Hit the post]

--"High character FA signings"...character is what you bring up when you can't talk about how good their game is. Gagner and del Zotto suck.

It leaves out how Benning went all hard after "high character" Lucic & to a lesser extent Evander Kane.

 

[RandV]

Let's see:

--three and a half years into the Lindenningbrod regime, and it's still Gillis' fault. Uh-huh. Riiiiiight.

--take a look, Pittsburgh! This is where you get seven years after a Cup run! Oh, wait...you won in 2009, too? And last year...wait...how does math work? I dunno...when did Chicago win again...?

--I'm totally sure all those prospects will work out. Just like our franchise-changing draft in 2014.

--"High character FA signings"...character is what you bring up when you can't talk about how good their game is. Gagner and del Zotto suck.

--Even if all those players pan out, we still have no d or goaltending. Even if Juolevi becomes a stud (and I'm TOTALLY sure that's gonna happen) he'll be all by himself.

Also

Former Canucks general manager Mike Gillis sold the farm for that chance at a Stanley Cup and was let go for Jim Benning in 2014. Now seven years after those 2011 Stanley Cup Playoffs, GM Jim Benning and president Trevor Linden are faced with the monumental task of rebuilding a team with two aging superstars, Henrik and Daniel Sedin, and what was an empty cupboard of prospects left by the last regime.

Sold the farm? One of the more legit criticisms of Gillis is that he didn't sell the farm when we had the best opportunity to win the Cup. In his 6 years here he made exactly one significant futures for now deal, trading the 1st and Grabner for Ballard, and one pure deadline rental, a 2nd for Derek Roy.

If anyone's been guilty of selling the farm here it's Jim Benning in his ill advised age gap and competitive vet pursuit. Quite literally Gillis left the farm team stocked with our own draft picks and prospects, while Benning has slashed and burned it down till there's barely anything there.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks-example-model-rebuild

I couldn't have said it better myself. I'll add more comments at a later time.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

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Sold the farm? One of the more legit criticisms of Gillis is that he didn't sell the farm when we had the best opportunity to win the Cup. In his 6 years here he made exactly one significant futures for now deal, trading the 1st and Grabner for Ballard, and one pure deadline rental, a 2nd for Derek Roy.

If anyone's been guilty of selling the farm here it's Jim Benning in his ill advised age gap and competitive vet pursuit. Quite literally Gillis left the farm team stocked with our own draft picks and prospects, while Benning has slashed and burned it down till there's barely anything there.

Yep, the best criticism of Gillis is that he wasn't able to do enough to load the team up when they were peaking. Should have packaged whatever wasn't nailed down to snag Jeff Carter from Columbus, if it was possible...

 

[y2kcanucks]

Corey Hirsch is delusional.

 

[Eddy Punch Clock]

Yep, the best criticism of Gillis is that he wasn't able to do enough to load the team up when they were peaking. Should have packaged whatever wasn't nailed down to snag Jeff Carter from Columbus, if it was possible...

I don't think there was any concrete evidence but I do remember there being a rumour/belief/whatever about other GM's not really eager to do business with Gillis.

To the old boys club he essentially used to be "the enemy" as a player agent. Then just like that he switches sides, goes against tradition by naming his goalie the Captain, implements all sorts of new ideas like hiring a sleep doctor.... and let's face it, he can come across as very arrogant. I just don't think he was ever received very well by his peers. Can't be easy doing business and making trades under those conditions.

Just a theory anyways.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

I don't think there was any concrete evidence but I do remember there being a rumour/belief/whatever about other GM's not really eager to do business with Gillis.

To the old boys club he essentially used to be "the enemy" as a player agent. Then just like that he switches sides, goes against tradition by naming his goalie the Captain, implements all sorts of new ideas like hiring a sleep doctor.... and let's face it, he can come across as very arrogant. I just don't think he was ever received very well by his peers. Can't be easy doing business and making trades under those conditions.

Just a theory anyways.

Okay I wrote several angry posts about this topic in one of the other six Gillis threads, please check them out. I don't think his personal demeanor was at all a disadvantage. NHL GMs are generally type A guys, and they can come across as arrogant. They forge relationships with each other on those terms, out of self-interest.

Nobody is privy to discussions Gillis had with other GMs, but I have a feeling he treated them differently than he treated the 400lb drivetime radio goblin who asked him the same moron question every week.

 

[Melvin]

Corey Hirsch is delusional.

Is he delusional or is he a shameless pathetic sycophant?

 

[Jack Burton]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks-example-model-rebuild

I couldn't have said it better myself. I'll add more comments at a later time.

That's just a straight up delusional article and I'm surprised it got by the editor. What an embarrassment to SN for publishing that s***

 

[me2]

So much stupidity, so few column inches. Shocker who posted it.

Let's see:

--three and a half years into the Lindenningbrod regime, and it's still Gillis' fault. Uh-huh. Riiiiiight.

--take a look, Pittsburgh! This is where you get seven years after a Cup run! Oh, wait...you won in 2009, too? And last year...wait...how does math work? I dunno...when did Chicago win again...?

--I'm totally sure all those prospects will work out. Just like our franchise-changing draft in 2014.

--"High character FA signings"...character is what you bring up when you can't talk about how good their game is. Gagner and del Zotto suck.

--Even if all those players pan out, we still have no d or goaltending. Even if Juolevi becomes a stud (and I'm TOTALLY sure that's gonna happen) he'll be all by himself.

--Well, at least we know who had that Ryan Miller account here...

Why didn't he point out Benning gutted the team of character guys. Richardson, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Garrison, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen etc. So much character ripped from the team.... He even let character guys like Bartkowski go. Now we hear he's trying to trade away even more character in Gudbranson.

Willie was a character guy, he got stabbed in the back by Benning. Sure he couldn't line match to save himself, but his character more than made up for that as it rubbed off on everyone around.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Hirsch’s pandering and sucking up to the Canucks makes sense now that I see his son is getting featured on Rogers Hometown Hockey. Corey is trying to ride the money train, getting broadcasting opportunities and exposure for his son. Given his poor earnings during his career, I wouldn’t be surprised if he still needs to hustle and make money to support his family.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

Hirsch’s pandering and sucking up to the Canucks makes sense now that I see his son is getting featured on Rogers Hometown Hockey. Corey is trying to ride the money train, getting broadcasting opportunities and exposure for his son. Given his poor earnings during his career, I wouldn’t be surprised if he still needs to hustle and make money to support his family.

Probably believes it. Just like most salespeople actually do believe in their product or service.

 

[member 290103]

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Corey Hirsch is just below the Moj in terms of delusion.

I thought DT was bad. Hirsch topped him.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

I hope you guys would give anyone a chance who sided with Hirsch and if they came in here to offer their opinion.

 

[Kryten]

I hope you guys would give anyone a chance who sided with Hirsch and if they came in here to offer their opinion.

I liked his goaltending equipment reduction segment for the most part. Havent heard or read much that I agree with since then

 

[Chairman Maouth]

I liked his goaltending equipment reduction segment for the most part. Havent heard or read much that I agree with since then

What about this?

Dark, Dark, Dark, Dark, Dark, Dark, Dark, Dark | By Corey Hirsch

 

[Kryten]

What about this?

Dark, Dark, Dark, Dark, Dark, Dark, Dark, Dark | By Corey Hirsch

I really liked that. Iirc it came out before his goalie gear segment. To counter what you are trying to do here are you really surprised by a mentally ill/struggling person trying to be all sunshine and rainbows and sucking up to a former team while being employed in the industry

 

[Chairman Maouth]

I really liked that. Iirc it came out before his goalie gear segment. To counter what you are trying to do here are you really surprised by a mentally ill/struggling person trying to be all sunshine and rainbows and sucking up to a former team while being employed in the industry

I'm not sure someone who's been treated and recovered is still considered to be mentally ill.

I have seen him roundly ridiculed in here to the point that even if someone agrees with him or some of the points he made that they won't want to enter into the discussion for fear of being ridiculed themselves. That has already happened.

This is important.

All we want here is a place where all Canucks fans can voice their opinions about management without fear of being ridiculed.

 

[sting101]

Why didn't he point out Benning gutted the team of character guys. Richardson, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Garrison, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen etc. So much character ripped from the team.... He even let character guys like Bartkowski go. Now we hear he's trying to trade away even more character in Gudbranson.

Willie was a character guy, he got stabbed in the back by Benning. Sure he couldn't line match to save himself, but his character more than made up for that as it rubbed off on everyone around.

Not sure if serious here.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Is he delusional or is he a shameless pathetic sycophant?

I hope you guys would give anyone a chance who sided with Hirsch and if they came in here to offer their opinion.

If they can actually back up their opinions with logic and reason, sure.

Not sure if serious here.

He's not.

 

[Kryten]

I'm not sure someone who's been treated and recovered is still considered to be mentally ill.

I have seen him roundly ridiculed in here to the point that even if someone agrees with him or some of the points he made that they won't want to enter into the discussion for fear of being ridiculed themselves. That has already happened.

This is important.

All we want here is a place where all Canucks fans can voice their opinions about management without fear of being ridiculed.

Im not sure any and all treatment would lead to recovery. I and many others I assume here suffer from it; but if so, great. But alas, you are correct and I applaud your work. Posts of any kind can receive likes, but most importantly debate. If you make a statement one way or the other, expect someone else to hold a different view and debate. It was you or canucklehead who posted near exactly this. It seems to me one side of the spectrum has more compelling points to this debate with facts, stats, eye test, trades, signings comparissons while the other side deals more with feels, false equivilencies, strawmans, wait n see/hindsight fallacies. There is also the point of this site being the only social platform for anti management types, some correlation to this site as a whole probably being the largest collection of smart hockey nerds online I would say.

People dont deserve to be ridiculed, but some peoples posts sure do.

Thanks again to you and the other mods for doing the dirty work around here